Goth? What are you talking about? Gothic music is on the mellowest spectrum of rock. You watch the videos to Black Planet by The Sisters of Mercy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBaYStFvU5Q and Weak in my Knees by Clan of Xymox http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVkonso4JBA and then tell me that's the heaviest stuff in the world. I would know, I broadcast this stuff online.dyzzispell wrote:Screamo and Goth. I'm sure there's more, but I don't know what they are called...
GhostontheNet wrote:Goth? What are you talking about? Gothic music is on the mellowest spectrum of rock. You watch the videos to Black Planet by The Sisters of Mercy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBaYStFvU5Q and Weak in my Knees by Clan of Xymox http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVkonso4JBA and then tell me that's the heaviest stuff in the world. I would know, I broadcast this stuff online.
That's just the thing, Gothic does not do screaching or screaming as its entire vocal base, but goes torwards the ethereal and haunting, as well as themes of romanticism. For this reason, Gothic metal tends to carry the most similarities with Progressive metal. Pretty much if you can't stomach Gothic metal for being too heavy, you just plain cannot handle heavy metal. Personally, I suspect she really meant the incoherent growling attack of the typewriters of Death Metal where romanticism is rather out of place (I think). Of course, horror themes have been an element of various styles of rock and roll ever since spooked Christians started to call it the music of the devil, and so they sarcastically acted like it was true, and as a result a lot of different music with horror themes gets confused as Gothic because the real Gothic music is in decline in the U.S. (as witnessed by the fact I get about 3 times more listeners from Germany than the U.S. on my little station).Scarecrow wrote:She probably ment Gothic Metal... like Sirenia, Theatre of Tragedy, Tristania, Therion, and many of those other "Beauty and the Beast" bands... Still, goth metal is actually quite soft compared to other types (IMO at least). But she probably just doesn't like it...
*Laments everything I just said with supporting evidence being totally ignored.rurouninaruto wrote:All death, black and goth metal is to hard for me.
I really think we're talking about really different music. The stuff I'm talking about is groups like Saviour Machine, Virgin Black, Visionaire, or groups that appear on the Asleep by Dawn compilation. Stuff like that. A gothic vocal is one that is ethereal and has a strange soothing yet haunting effect.Scarecrow wrote:Eh well, I used to find Gothic metal (with harsh vocals) to "hard" for me too... but I guess it wasn't that it was hard just that I hated the vocals!! Not the same thing...
GhostontheNet wrote:I really think we're talking about really different music. The stuff I'm talking about is groups like Saviour Machine, Virgin Black, Visionaire, or groups that appear on the Asleep by Dawn compilation. Stuff like that. A gothic vocal is one that is ethereal and has a strange soothing yet haunting effect.
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And there's where the decline of the real Gothic music comes in - in the void left by its decline people think gothic consists of wearing black and listening to the latest reincarnation of Alice Cooper style grotesque shock rock. These are people, as well as the people who react to them who could not utter a single sentence about the Bauhaus, Siouxsie and the Banshees, The Sisters of Mercy, Clan of Xymox, Faith and the Muse, or anyone else. Why is Saviour Machine Gothic? Because they have the ethereal opera vocal of Eric Clayton and a general sense of dark romanticism laced into the music. For this reason, I say that Gothic Metal is closest to Progressive Metal.Hitokiri wrote:To be honest, Ghost, I think they are just generalizing. No offense to those in question but I think they were just taking 3 genres they know are loud and heavy and putting it up. Now, I can't say 100% this is how it is, but I can guess that most people won't think Saviour Machine when putting "goth metal" down nor the more harder gothic metal bands down.
In the Gothic slang terms, this sort of "Goth" is generally given the mocking epithets of "Mallgoth", "Spooky Kid", or "Mansonite", coined after a habit of wearing black and listening to the latest incarnation of Alice Cooper style spooky shockingness. I wouldn't be making such a horrible fuss here, but after linking to the Sisters of Mercy and Clan of Xymox videos which are typical of both old school and modern Gothic music, calling it "too heavy" and equating it with the same style as Death Metal owes to wholesale laziness.Because it's quote on quote gothic people apply it to being loud and freaky. I can stomach bands like Cannibal Corspe, Horsemen of the Apolocyspe, Behemoth, etc but barely.
Scarecrow wrote:Ooooh yea... ok I was talking stuff like [url=myspace.com/officialsireniaspace]Sirenia[/url], Tristania and old Theatre of Tragedy... and then softer stuff like Leaves' Eyes and such... alot of bands like Sirenia and Theatre of Tragedy have some harsh male vocals (not quite black metal stuff) mixed in with female, almost operatic vocals. They call them Beauty and the Beast bands cause they have "gruff" male vocals (beast) and beautiful siren vocals (beauty) and most beauty and the beast bands fall under Gothic metal. Leaves Eyes is actually more like Gothic rock but I dunno they call it metal still so whatever blows your hair back.
Symphonic metal just about spans every type of metal... cause I also love symphonic Power-metal (Nightwish and Epica!!!)... operatic is a sub-catergory of Symphonic metal ... Nightwish is also called operatic along with like Epica and such... where as Leaves' Eyes and Within Tempation is Symphonic and NOT operatic... I dunno it gets confusing so I just go by what the band calls themselves and the bands I listed concider themselves Gothic metal/rock...In a nutshell, yes, with the vocals and the dark romantic "spooky swirls" as a consistent element throughout the entire spectrum of Gothic music. I will however qualify that Post-punk music is less of the angry energetic style that people tend to think of as punk, and more so a kind of softspoken appropriation of punk's themes in a much different sounding style. Examples of this on my station are tracks by Joy Division, the Bauhaus, and Siouxsie and the Banshees. For more info, I've posted a history of Gothic music in my Seraphim Radio thread, which gives video examples of the different types and themes (I even have one for the older punk).MorwenLaicoriel wrote:Ahh, gotcha. Okay. ^^ So there's a type of goth music that's heavy on synths, another type that's similar to progressive metal, and another type that's similar to old-school punk?
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