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[Peanut]

Hmmm...well that still doesn't solve the main problem with your little attack...and that's the fact that the Peacemaker has ALWAYS BEEN A SPACE BASED WEAPON...in other words I don't need to even be within several hundred miles of you to actually attack you...also I've never really had a navy...sure Corby's got a few subs and some stealth aircraft carriers...but why would they be interested in attacking someone who they are trying to protect...as for speaking Russian (excuse me if I mispell this)...PRIEVIET COMMARADE!!! Yes...I know how to say hello in Russian...and that's about it...I can also say hello in Polish if you wish...and of course there is always Pig Latin...oh and then there is French...but I don't like to talk in our about French...to many bad memories of my French 3 teacher with the thick Russian accent...*shudders*

[Althaia]

peanut stop showing off:sweat:

[Peanut]

I'm not...being able to say "Hello," "How Are You," and "Good," in another language is not showing off...sure I can say a few more things in french...but as I said...it brings back bad memories...which is why I will never speak french again for as long as I live...NEVER!!!!!

[USSRGirl]

Habla espanol? No?

[Althaia]

bonjour mousier peanut and madmoseille chairman

[Jingo Jaden]

Bonjour madame Raven, tu parlè Francais?

[Althaia]

i understood the first part and the francais part but that other part stumped me does it say you speak french? i am taking french this year but thankfully i know some french words

[Jingo Jaden]

Yes. I studied french some years ago, know a few words.

[Peanut]

NOOOOOO!!!! THOSE WORDS SHALL NEVER BE SPOKEN!!!*Peanut goes absolutely beserk and begins to smash random things causing everyone to stare at him in shock and fear...luckily no one was hurt during this display of rage and eventually Peanut calmed down*

[Althaia]

muahahahahaaaa i have found your weakness*continues to speak french until peanut dies*this is funny

[Peanut]

...you have no clue what you have just unleashed...*Peanut transforms into a Hulkish like beast and smashes Raven with his giant fists. He then begins to run and leap untill he arrives in France. There he uses the Eiffel Tower as a baseball bat to beat down anyone who mutters any sort of french word...this rage continues for 3000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 years*

[Althaia]

*is alive and sends ultra sound waves causeing to go deaf

[Dante]

Peanut, I do believe that it is quite possible that within that period of time, seeing as the universe will continue to expand forever, every atom in the entire universe will be seperated and all that will be left is a cold dark vacuum... with ZPE particles floating about...

[Peanut]

...I held the universe together with my burly, bulking, Hulkish arms...

[Dante]

Even that isn't possible.. because like the rest of the universe, you too are made of atoms... (unless your made of some wierd thing like quarknium) but in the end it matters little, you too like everything else will eventually succumb to the forces of entropy... being blow about by massive stars going nova torn into shreds by eventual contacts with black holes and what not... heh heh heh..

[Peanut]

No...I art not made fo atoms...I art made of awsomeness...I am awsomeness...and awsomeness cannot be torn to shreds by any force because awsomeness is...well...awsome...

[USSRGirl]

Oh my word.

...FRENCH fry anyone?

:: Offers one to the Hulkish Peanut ::

[Dante]

that is circular logic... which is not awesome... Zarn wins... and because you are Zarn... you win...

[USSRGirl]

Circle speak! ^_^ Very George Orwell I might add...

[Peanut]

So I win...but Zarn also wins...which means...its a draw...great...

[Dante]

Well... no one has posted for a quite a while on the RP... Um... oh and Zarn isn't winning Puritan is... but you never hear him say he wins... which is part of the reason why he's winning but really he has the most resources and power at the moment...

[Peanut]

Yeah...I kind of figured that...in truth, he seems to be the one who's bennefitting from the treaty he made with Zarn...not Zarn...of course...that might because Zarn hasn't been posting much...and neither has Temulin...and because of the whole Africa quest and the sudden standstill on the whole "perfecting" the system of "magic" we have choosen...I pretty much can't do anything...at all...or can I?
Edit: It's done...Temulin is now the dictator of the URS...I wonder what her first act as dictator will be...

[Dante]

OOC:

OOC: OBJECTION! Your Neutron blast cannon's ability to penetrate any and all armor is insane and illogical Pascal.

Well we shall see, but like I said, I needed you to approve some new techs and so it seems that you object but I have something to say as well.

Neutronium is so dense that firing it would likely be utterly impossible, it would begin to attract the matter around it. You are talking about producing matter with densities on the order of 10E13 g/cm^3 or higher and FIRING it.

Hardly Puritan, while traditionally in science fiction novels it might be considered in such large values, I was never claiming to use their version. However, do note that that a material is not determined by its density, hydrogen is still hydrogen no matter how dense you make it or conversely how greatly you spread the atoms apart. In the same way, I hardly intend on creating a macroscopic object with a density of the order of magnitude of E14 g/cm^3 (quoting you as a source). End this is evident from my description that states that the neutrons are unstable (having a half life time of 886 seconds) if they were at this density the neutrons would become stable and wouldn't decay. The only place where pressures are incredibly high are in the point where the Neutrons are created, here the pressures are increased to incredibly high values but do not think that every proton electron and electron anti-nuetrino combination creates a neutron, only a small percent of them change into neutrinos, the rest of the energy is transfered back into the system where it is recycled in hopes of creating a nuetron in the next run. Even still I can loose them and it doesn't matter, the energy can come about in the next run.

The gravitational pull would prohibitively large, as would be the amount of energy needed to produce the monstrous forces required to overcome the inherant instability of matter lacking protons and bind it together so it doesn't fly apart instantly (this requires massive gravitational forces, which is why neutronium only exists in neutron stars). That is so absurd I wouldn't dignify it with a response if you weren't trying to turn it into a weapon.

Once again this is a misunderstanding of the magnitude if the shell in question had such a great mass, then the activation of a single NEUTRAL cannon would easily destroy the Earth! I am only attempting to create enough of this "stuff" to create a shell capable of a blast on the order of magnitude equal to that of a "mini-ZPEB". Further you are falsely assuming that gravity is the only force capable of producing the pressures neccesary to innitiate the reverse decay. But as long as as reverse decay fails to occur we are still manipulating protons and electrons and those are easily pressurized through strong electric fields. Thus instead of creating these pressures through gravitational fields (which is really quite silly), the electrons and protons are pressurized through electric fields... The electron-antineutrinos disccussed are of no concern they will simply interact with the pressurized electrons and protons. They have theoretically very little or no mass at all so not even strong gravitational fields will influence them beyond the curvature of space. Once the neutrons are created they will no longer be heavily influenced by the fields (they are neutral) but if I so pleased, in such a situation I could make use of my copious energy quantities to create electric fields capable of deep inelastic scattering on the neutrons. This will influence the individual electric fields of the three quarks that make up the neutron and thus allows the neutron to be influenced... but at the time being I really don't see why that would be necessary. As they can fly off and undergo control via neutron lenses... yes they can exist.
See Uses in

Neutrons

Further more, Neutron Bombs as such already exist, and work by creating a mass amount of neutrons which have the effect of ionizing particles in air (creating deadly radiation) witout influencing the neutron... or by whacking into the nuclear warhead of an enemy missile (or addmittedly into the core of a fusion weapon in Temuoplis) where the excess neutrons reak havic in the nuclear fuel itself... (destroying or damaging the warhead according to the article)

Neutron Bomb

Then, consider the effect of the anti-neutronium interacting with other matter. You are firing it pure, consider the explosion that would take place the instant it interacted with the air, as it would inevitably interact moving at the speeds it is, with any sizable chunk of this stuff. Then you claim it penetrates armor, ignoring all the normal atoms there, until it ignites exactly where you want it to, undeterred by any physical force. Why does it ignore all matter, including any type of highly-dense material, yet only have a range of 40 km in air? It simply doesn't compute.

The speeds? Really Puritan, when did you come to the conclusion that higher speed will make it more likely to interact... actually the longer it is in existance the longer it will have to collide with a particle so... yeah, after all the distance is the same... of course there might be something to it do to QM that I am overlooking but at the moment nothing comes to mind. More importantly my answer is yes. But I suppose by now (that you realize that I am not dealing with a mass of matter that weighs as much as the earth flying through space but more along the lines of something the size and weight of a bowling ball at most... and that would be pushing it... In this case it would be unlikely (But still possible) for the neutrons in in the shell and the neutrons in air atoms to interact, or for that matter for neutrons in the shell and neutrons in the armor to react). My reasoning for this is purely theoretical but alas I am creating a weapon from scratch here so I'm going to have to go out on a limb a little bit. Your argument that Neutrons will interact with the air and the armor is based off a false impression that air has substance and so does the armor... But in reality most of matter is made up of empty space atoms hardly fill up any of that space but to add to this, the atom itself is mostly made up of empty space, with the neutrons located deep within the neucleus... However from these atoms come strong electromagnetic fields that interact very strongly with other atomic electric fields (caused by the protons and the electrons) as a consquence other electrical matter (such as bullets or you and I) feel resistance in the air and are stopped dead in our tracks by temuoptnium armor (however it is written). But to non-electrically reactive particles (such as the neutrons in use) they will fly straight through with hardly any interaction as there is nothing but empty space there... but certainly collisions do occur... but if these were so troublesome the neutron bomb would hardly work at all and we have far more neutrons to play with then the neutron bomb. In the end though I am academic enough to note for objectivity, that neutrons do experience rather significant losses in air, but this results in ionization of the air particles and reduces the number of neutrons. However, this is limited to the lighter ellements, in particular hydrogen... which means that the use of metalic hydrogen thruster at the same time as using the NEUTRAL cannon or using the NEUTRAL cannon in highly moist situations would be detrimental to the weapons power... Thus meaning that the RAG-2 has to use only liquid oxygen boosters for its thrusters to gain the full power of the effect and rain will decrease the power as well. But in the end this just reduces the range of the weapon if it is necessary to make use of it... In terms of armor the neutrons actually fair much better, because Temuoptnium is a rather heavy ellement (not nearly a lighter one) it will hardly interact at all and the neutrons can fly straight through... you actually gain much better protection from the air than you do from the armor. Actually to quote Wikipedia

[Dante]

"Unlike charged particles or photons, the neutron cannot lose energy by ionizing atoms. Rather, the neutron goes on its way unchecked until it makes a head-on collision with an atomic nucleus. For this reason, neutron radiation is extremely penetrating and dangerous."

Hardly at all the type of interactions concieved... even the anti-nuetron must share this property so because it cannot lose energy in ionizing particles it can only interact with other neutrons... which will occur if one of them strikes a nuecleus... but remember that doesn't occur too often. But when the primary core hits the outside there is suddenly far more neutrons to interact with... And each neutrons interaction via the weak and strong nuclear forces creates chaos the result of which can push away or attract (which dominates doesn't matter to me) the main goal is for the neutrons to move about and collide with the others) which if the number of neutrons is on the order of about the mass of a bowling ball or brick will causes a nice bang for certain... Certainly most of the neutrons will miss but their radiation will still damage any life nearby so it isn't a complete loss... but the main threat is that it can penetrate deep into any particular target...

Pascal, you are now trying to create a superweapon that is, quite honestly, bending physics to obtain your goals. Better weapons and penetration are acceptable within parameters, but this is getting into the hazy realm of uberweapons of doom that really make no sense. This is a cosmic twinkie, a weapon that is both absurd and unstoppable, and even the most powerful and as-yet unveiled weapons in my arsenal at least play by normal rules (except for the ZPEB weapons and ZPE generators you yourself created). Scale your weapons to a reasonable level and follow your own rules, because this is both irrational and an attempt at creating an unstoppable weapon that can destroy anything and everything. Antimatter charges or ZPEB weapons in highly-dense penetrating covering, fine, but this is a travesty.)

Well, we will certainly see, but this final declaration of cosmic twinkism I believe has been fully refuted... But try if you please. After all it will only increase my knowledge of the subject in use...

[Puritan]

Fine, argue with a nuclear engineer with several years of neutronics experience. I admit, your use of the word neutronium misinformed some of my statements (next time please look into the uses of your words, as I simply used the typical meaning of this term, which implies the bizarrely dense material in neutron stars), but I will try to refute your arguments.

True, neutrons are very penetrating, but that does not mean they will penetrate anything. Neutrons have an odd interaction property known as a cross-section, whereby they interact with materials far more than would be suggested by pure size. Every isotope in existance has unique values for neutron interaction cross-sections (measured in a unit called a barn,explained here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barn_%28unit%29. You can find energy dependant cross-section plots here http://atom.kaeri.re.kr/ if you are so inclined) which are highly dependant on the neutron energy and the temperature of the isotopes in question. Some isotopes have high neutron interaction cross-sections, others low cross-sections. Neutron-neutron cross-sections are, honestly, low enough to be discarded in the most neutron-dense systems I know of, and I have never seen such things measured, a sure indicator that such reactions play such a minor part in the most neutron rich systems known to nuclear scientists that most don't care about this value. However, energy-dependant neutron cross-sections have been measured for most isotopes stable enough to make measurements on, and many isotopes have a large (compared to their size) neutron interaction cross-section. Thus, your claim goes like this:

A) I make many neutrons and anti-neutrons.
B) I fire them with an EXTREMELY high flux (n/cm^2*s).
C) They manage to avoid the high (relative to neutron-neutron interaction cross-sections, or in an absolute nuclear physics sense) neutron cross-sections associated with all intervening materials.
D) They manage to (on a large scale) interact with each other, despite the miniscule neutron-neutron interaction cross-section and indeterminancy associated with neutron interactions (predicting what a given neutron will do when hitting an object is probabalistic, not deterministic), exactly where I want them to.

This is senseless, take my word for it as someone who has studied the interactions of neutrons for several years now. A neutron weapon designed to kill people, fine (although this would, in practice, be difficult to deploy against a battleship with a high mass of armor). An anti-netron weapon designed to deal damage through a ship by penetrating some armor, interacting with other armor, fine (although very energy intensive and hard to aim). Your weapon, giving precise locations for the interactions and explosion, not fine, not even sensible. Change it, it doesn't work.

[Dante]

Puritan I certainly understand the concept of cross section, it is hardly an odd interaction property but a rather a probablistic edge wherin incomming particles are most likely to interact with the particle in question. Alright admittedly the particles will not interact as much at that point. However would you object if their density at the ship itself were increased to high densities via neutron lenses so that the neutrons and anti-neutrons would interact at a primary point of focus... if finely tuned this should greatly increase the density of both the neutrons and the anti-neutrons so that collisions will be far more likely. No? Your turn, admitted you have the upper hand, everyone knows everything about electromagnetic based weapons and gravitational ones were nigh outlawed (lest I let loose the geons) but you are the nuclear engineer and I've never had a single course in nuclear physics so just be glad I know what I know...

[Puritan]

Actually, it is odd, Pascal. The interaction probability is not fully understood and doesn't correspond to nucleus size, and can change rapidly based on tiny changed in neutron incident energy. For example, the cross-section (ignoring material properties, this is entirely based on the interaction probability of a single atom) of boron is about two orders of magnitude above that of Bismuth, senseless if the cross-section is entirely a probability function based on the size of an atom. The precise mechanism of cross-sections isn't fully understood from all I know, it is simply experimentally measured. This lack of understanding of cross-sections caused the brilliant German scientists in World War II to think a fission bombs would take tons of uranium rather than pounds, in essence destroying their bomb effort, and while cross-sections are better known today, the exact mechanisms still aren't. The unit of cross-sections even indicate their nature: the unit of barns was named because cross-sections were like "hitting the broad side of a barn" compared to what they were expected to be based on pure size probabilities of interaction, which bodes ill for your argument.

Anyway, I still disagree with your statement. Claiming you could focus the neutron beams onto a single point is fine, but even doubling the concentration of neutrons compared to a single individual stream would still keep the neutron interactions at insanely low levels in my understanding. If scientists bother to calculate cross-sections for materials with millibarn level cross-sections (for reference Zirconium has barn-level cross-sections and is considered a material with very low nuclear interaction probability and is used intensively in reactors because of this), but have never (from my searching on the IAEA's website and elsewhere) bothered to find the neutron-neutron interaction cross-sections, I have to assume it is far lower than that of normal matter, likely by orders of magnitude, thus your beams would still be far more likely to interact with the ship's armor than each other. If the cross-sections weren't negligable they would have been measured by this point in my opinion, the fact that they have not indicates the neutrons have little interaction cross-section with each other. This was what helped lead to my assumption of neutron-star neutronium, that I could believe would cause neutrons and anti-neutrons to interact in a reasonably small space, but issues with the material make it prohibitive to use. In essence, the number of neutrons and anti-neutrons needed to produce a mini ZPEB-sized explosion in a craft would require far greater than ZPEB sized explosions going through the armor of the craft if the armor is of appreciable size (as all aircraft and spacecraft armor is). My calculations for this come from relative cross-section information for most materials compared to what I would suspect would be the cross-section information for neutron-neutron interactions. Neutron fluxes on the order of 10^14 neutrons/cm^2 second are considered high, and fluxes on the order of 10^17 neutrons/cm^2 second are expected from the largest neutron source in the world by my calculations (using info from the Spallation Neutron Source webpage http://www.sns.gov/). You propose fluxes on the scale of 2E26 neutrons per second (and anti-neutrons, for a total flux of 4E26 particles per second) for a hiroshima-sized explosion (~13-16 kT, with geometric decreases in neutron densities for lower-energy particles) if all neutrons interact! Given probability of two neutrons colliding is very low (facilities with 10^40 neutrons/cm^2 second completely ignore neutron-neutron interactions), you would need bizarrely high neutron fluxes to cause your desired explosion, and with the level of neutron flux you are proposing you would likely destroy everything in the area of the facility anyway through regular anti-neutron-matter interactions due to the much higher cross-sections for neutrons interacting with regular matter, rendering the penetration ability a null point. This weapon would be insanely powerful, as causing a mini-ZPEB explosion inside a craft would require obliteration (and then some) of the craft itself through regular interaction and anti-neutron energy release. I believe your weapon is non-working by the practice of nuclear engineering Pascal, although you could attempt to make a deadly anti-neutron beam weapon, your current is incorrect, please redesign it.

[USSRGirl]

Haven't seen Zarn lately.

Could be that Temulin has disapeared appropriately when the battle took to Africa. Africa contains large quanities of Temulin's only mortal weakness (is suffering from it now in fact..GAH!!!!!). It shall never be revealed to my enemies!!

[USSRGirl]

BEHOLD THE ULTIMATE WEAPON OF CUTENESS!!!

http://www.christiananime.net/showthread.php?t=35524

[Kaligraphic]

Of course, I have the real ultimate weapon... the ability to creepily appear and disappear at will and scare the bejeezus out of my enemies.

And we all know that Temulin is deathly afraid of <censored>.