For a moment, the mother dragon seemed to hang suspended against the sky, her wings stretched to their full, massive length, letting the sun shine through holes made by arrows and swords.
Shard felt the choking emotion running through their connection, and he could hear Shynael's thoughts as clearly as if he had spoken: No! That little hatchling has lost its mother! Just as I have. How could I let this happen?
kryptech wrote:My take on the dragonrage control issue is as follows. I figured Shard's natural outrage over the baby dragon's murder drove him to willingly want to use the power of dragonrage to go beyond justice to deliberately and consciously inflict suffering on the soldiers.
Esoteric wrote:Yeah, can see Shard wanting to use the dragonrage's strength to render justice, but there is a distinct sense of cruelty in his actions whenever he's under the influence of dragonrage. You think then it really is Shard's 'inner nature' that is cruel and not truly a 'side-effect' of the dragonrage?
Esoteric (post: 1271975) wrote:Mmm boy, where to start today? Well, how about with Vesper? She really did a 180, as you point out, but I'm not really sure why. I guess she's just way moodier than I realized, because I can't see as Shard really did anything to shun her. She must be upset with herself for some reason???
Eso wrote:I wonder what Advent's going to do this time because uh...I think Shard just kinda stole everybody's 'glory' so to speak.
kryptech (post: 1272186) wrote:Whew, that's a pretty brutal section! The Tide Began to Rise seems a little too quiet for the dragonrage section -- maybe Fire to My Soul or The Soldier's Song instead.
kryptech wrote:The part about the unhatched dragon was actually very disturbing. Your description was uncomfortably detailed. I can see how that would set Shard off. However, in a way I'd think that Shynael's reaction would also be powerful and influence Shard's thoughts, so that their connection would be strengthened rather than broken.
And Shard, sweet likable Shard has a serious alter ego problem. Was he really in control this time? Because it doesn't sound like he was in control at all. He was just as destructive, the only difference seemed to be that he was consciously observing his actions this time, instead of it all being a big red blur.
In trying to understand this from a psychological perspective, I wonder, does Dragonrage remove the inhibitions of the 'diabolical self' as Lewis calls it? This is the only way I can see for Shard to be truly responsible (because in some ways it still seem like a separate person that takes over.) Deep down does Shard want to lash out violently at things which displease him? It's not an uncommon 'fantasy' for weak/shy people--to be able to rise up and crush the injustice they perceive and experience. Is Dragonrage facilitating a 'freeing' of such inner desires? It certainly sounds like it.
kryptech wrote:My take on the dragonrage control issue is as follows. I figured Shard's natural outrage over the baby dragon's murder drove him to willingly want to use the power of dragonrage to go beyond justice to deliberately and consciously inflict suffering on the soldiers. It's the idea that his own fallen nature used the dragonrage state in a very conscious way rather than before when dragonrage came over him and his was just reacting blur-of-the-moment without any real thought.
Esoteric (post: 1272424) wrote:Yeah, can see Shard wanting to use the dragonrage's strength to render justice, but there is a distinct sense of cruelty in his actions whenever he's under the influence of dragonrage. You think then it really is Shard's 'inner nature' that is cruel and not truly a 'side-effect' of the dragonrage?
kryptech (post: 1272467) wrote:We all have a sense of justice and witnessing injustice (especially to ourselves or to someone with whom we easily identify) quickly raises our indignation. Unfortunately fallen human nature likes to meet out punishment of a somewhat greater measure than the original injury (like punching someone back a little harder than the person punched you). I view dragonrage as both a state where inhibitions are minimized and super-human abilities granted -- a bad combination when mixed with the passions of a less-than-righteous human. So yes, I'd say that Shard's actions ultimately sprang from his own heart and can't be simply blamed on dragonrage, particularly when he was very conscious of being in that state and deliberate with his actions. However, just as other stimulants can cause radical changes to even the most mild person, I'm sure in the state of dragonrage it would be very hard to control oneself and know when to draw the line between punishment and revenge.
Granted. I meant that the song fit in with the end of the section, where Shard's all "What have I done?!" and everything.
He's just angry, and if the dragonrage had let him, the anger would have subsided and he wouldn't want to hurt the guy as much anymore.
kryptech (post: 1272894) wrote:Did you possibly mean "dragonrage had left him" in the above quote?
the_wolfs_howl wrote:Silence pressed in on Shard's ears as he strode numbly into his lush, neat little room. The whole world seemed to be holding its breath, watching nervously as he descended the few steps and began to cross the great expanse of carpet. He found himself heading towards the full-length mirror on the wardrobe, his reflection slowly growing larger and larger in it, though the mirror seemed to be getting farther and farther away.
the_wolfs_howl wrote:Almost frantic now, Shard tried to rub the grime off his cheeks, but he succeeded only in smearing it around. He stared desperately at his own eyes in the mirror, and then he realized: My filthiness goes beneath the skin.
the_wolfs_howl wrote:...and pulled the string over his head again, tucking the cool piece of ivory underneath his shirt, where it rested directly over his heart - right where the knife would have pierced.
the_wolfs_howl wrote:Then Shard saw what he was talking about. In the figurative part of his mind where he envisioned their bond, he stood looking across at Shynael, and a wall of glass had been erected between them. He had made that glass, he saw at once, when he had let the dragonrage take over. And now he couldn't feel Shynael at all. There was nothing of the intimate bond they had shared, except a cold memory.
the_wolfs_howl wrote:"'But with thee there is forgiveness, that thee may be feared.'"
Esoteric wrote:Small thought. Vesper must have been shocked and terrified by Shard's attempt. I was mildly surprised she did not ask him why he wanted to die...but then perhaps she understood only too well. Instead, I would maybe see her begging (demanding even) a promise from him not to try such a thing ever again. Otherwise I dare say she wouldn't feel safe letting him out of her sight. Even then, she would worry....
the_wolfs_howl wrote:Hmm. Do you think I should've elongated the scene a bit, or stuck in some more dialogue after Shard drops the knife, with Vesper saying, "Don't you dare do anything like that again!" etc.?
the_wolfs_howl wrote:Thank you, Eso and kryptech, for reading my story so faithfully. You can only guess how much I appreciate it. Shard and Shynael also say thanks, because you're the first people who've listened to their story. And actually...it's not much of an exaggeration at all to say that they live because of you two. Thank you very, very much, from all three of us. Merry Christmas, and if you find bits of deer carcass in your stockings, that means that Shynael got to them before Santa Claus XD
*Shynael takes due note and decides to learn how to make crumpets from the dragon in "The Knight and Shining Armor"*
Hmm. Do you think I should've elongated the scene a bit, or stuck in some more dialogue after Shard drops the knife, with Vesper saying, "Don't you dare do anything like that again!" etc.? I guess I was just so fixated on ending it there.... I get these ideas for dramatic ways to end sections, to the exclusion of all else
But don't worry! Next month's section will feature Shard-Vesper interaction! I'll tell you that, at least.
kryptech (post: 1277968) wrote:Very powerful, both sections. The scene with Vesper stopping Shard and quoting scripture was moving, and also seemed to fit very nicely with this Christmas season. I thought the depth of emotion was expressed well.
thee --> thou (BTW, Olde English works so wonderfully in those quotes!)
kryptech wrote:The scene with Shard and Vesper ends off with Shard crying on Vesper's shoulder, followed by the scene where Shard's emerging from his bath (at Vesper's urging). So it implies that there was some dialog between the two scenes once Shard settled down. In a sense I do like the way that dialog isn't stated, but maybe some further development would help. Maybe once the dam broke, as it were, Vesper realized that the danger of self-injury had passed. Still it would make sense for her to want to check on Shard again soon. Also, I'm not sure exactly when Shynael returned to Shard -- Shynael seems pretty level-headed and even though his mental connection to Shard hadn't been restored yet perhaps Vesper would feel confident leaving Shard under Shynael's watchful eye for the time being.
Eso wrote:Hard to say what would be best really. If you wish to keep your 'dramatic ending', you could omit the dialogue which followed but make mention of it later.
For example, in the beginning of the next section Shard could be sitting in the bath Vesper suggested, going over his thoughts and remembering things she said to him in the aftermath (i.e. Why? Don't do that again! etc...). You could even work in a sense of her reluctance to leave him alone. This sort of quick conveyance of info is very useful and frankly something I need to work on too. I often forget that while it's not as dramatic, it's certainly more efficient to 'tell' instead of 'show' in certain instances between scenes...at least in the sense Card talks about in Characters and Plot (which I know you read).
Ah, so that's where the venison came from... I hope you don't mind -- I regifted it for our cats. ]
No prob! Shynael says that next time, though, he's sending Shard down the chimney instead. I understand it was kind of cramped in thereSeriously though, I'm honoured to be among the first to read this tale. It has been a good read thus far and I'm certain the trend will continue. I'm happy I could be of some help along the way.
I'm glad. Just having a reader or two is so helpful; I'm going to have to do something like this for one or two of my other novels that don't seem to be going anywhere.Lil_Ninja (post: 1277999) wrote:I have finally read it all, and I can't wait until the next part!
Very nice work, Wolf!
Ooh, a lurker! ]Oooooh, crumpets! (has never actually had a crumpet) :
Esoteric wrote:Inconceivable!
Esoteric (post: 1286992) wrote::?:
I've racked my brain, but I can't place it. (The first thing it made me think of that old CDi Zelda game, The Faces of Evil, but I think they said, 'Tra dil li da!' in that.) Is it from something you wrote? That's my other gut hunch....
Man...and I'm normally so good with placing quotes. Inconceivable!
Lil_Ninja (post: 1286999) wrote:You keep using that word.. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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