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Postby jon_jinn » Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:27 pm

i was browsing through the anime reviews and i saw reviews for both the animes: Full Metal Panic! Second Raid and Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu. then it dawned to me that in the anime, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, in the episode "Mysterique Sign", Koizumi (the psychic) uses two attacks on a giant cave cricket. They are: fumoffu and second raid. does this have anything to do with the two Full Metal Panic OVAs that i mentioned earlier?
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Postby Roy Mustang » Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:08 pm

jon_jinn wrote:i was browsing through the anime reviews and i saw reviews for both the animes: Full Metal Panic! Second Raid and Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu. then it dawned to me that in the anime, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, in the episode "Mysterique Sign", Koizumi (the psychic) uses two attacks on a giant cave cricket. They are: fumoffu and second raid. does this have anything to do with the two Full Metal Panic OVAs that i mentioned earlier?



It may have been a homage to Full Metal Panic OVA's. They did that alot in TMOHS.

Plus, Yasuhiro Takemoto was the director of Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu and Full Metal Panic? Second Raid. He did the storyborard and was the episode director for episode 11 of THOHS.

On another note: Full Metal Panic? Second Raid, FMP: Fumoffu and The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya were animated by Kyoto Animation.


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Postby jon_jinn » Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:54 pm

Wingzero22 wrote:It may have been a homage to Full Metal Panic OVA's. They did that alot in TMOHS.

Plus, Yasuhiro Takemoto was the director of Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu and Full Metal Panic? Second Raid. He did the storyborard and was the episode director for episode 11 of THOHS.

On another note: Full Metal Panic? Second Raid, FMP: Fumoffu and The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya were animated by Kyoto Animation.


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wow. didn't know TMOHS was related to Full Metal Panic through the directors and animators. i suppose that's the best explanation. thanks.
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"Sometimes we don't present the Gospel well enough for the non-elect to reject it."
- John MacArthur

"In the total expanse of the human life, there is not a single square inch of which Christ, who alone is sovereign, does not declare, 'That is mine'."
- Abraham Kuyper

"God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by His most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy."
- Westminister Confession of Faith (Chapter 5, Section 1)

"The wisdom of God has found a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God all the while upholding the righteousness of God!!"
- John Piper

"Grace is the pleasure of God to magnify the worth of God by giving sinners the right and power to delight in God without obscuring the glory of God!"
-John Piper

"The very One from Whom we need to be saved, is the One Who has saved us."
- R.C. Sproul

"All of Christian life is ceaseless worship of God the Father, through the mediatorship of God the Son, by the indwelling power of God the Spirit, doing what God commands in Scripture, not doing what God forbids in Scripture, in culturally contextualized ways, for the furtherance of the Gospel, when both gathered for adoration, and scattered for action, in joyous response to God's glorious grace."
- Mark Driscoll

"Believers do not pray with the view of informing God about things unknown to Him, or of exciting Him to do His duty, or of urging Him as though He were reluctant. On the contrary, they pray in order that they may arouse themselves to seek Him, that they may exercise their faith in meditating on His promises, that they may relieve themselves from their anxieties by pouring them into His bosom; in a word, that they may declare that from Him alone they hope and expect, both for themselves and for others, all good things."
- Martin Luther

"I have to tell you first that I am ready to die. I have put my affairs in order. Your supreme weapon is killing. My supreme weapon is dying, because when you kill me, people all over Romania will read my books and believe on the God that I preach - even more than they do now."
- Dr. Joseph Ton, the exiled Romanian pastor (quoted by James Montgomery Boice)

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Postby Mangafanatic » Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:54 pm

As WingZero alluded to, TMHoS features a MYRIAD of allusions to other anime. Look at the manga that Haruhi references when she's explaining the set up for a mystery to occur. I wouldn't be a bit suprised if these were references to Second Raid, especially in light of its many connections to MHoS.
Every year in Uganda, innumerable children simply. . . disappear. These children all stolen under the cover of darkness from their homes and impressed into the guerilla armies of the LRA [Lord's Resistance Army]. In the deserts of Uganda, they are forced to witness the mindless slaughter of other children until they themselves can do nothing but kill. Kill. These children, generally ranging from ages 5-12, are brainwashed into murdering in the name of the resistance and into stealing other children from their beds to suffer the same fate.

Because of this genocide of innocence, hundred and hundreds of children live every night sleeping in public places miles from their homes, because they know that if the do not-- they will disappear. They will become just another number in this genocide to which the international community has chosen to turn a blind eye. They will become, in affect, invisible-- Invisible Children.

But there are those who are trying to fight against this slaughter of Uganda's children. They fight to protect these "invisible children." Please, help them help a country full of children who know nothing by fear. Help save the innocence. For more information concerning how you can help and how you can get an incredible video about this horrific reality, visit the Invisible Children home page.
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Postby Roy Mustang » Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:09 pm

TMOHS has alot of homage.

A list of homage that they did and I do this as spoiler tag.


[spoiler]Gundam SEED

Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni (highly successful fan made murder mystery sound novel and is now an anime)

Slayers

Space Crusier Yamato

Macross 7

2001: A Space Odyssey

Kinnikuman (the manga)

Principality of Zeon (gundam)

Gundam

Parody of the opening to Visions of Escaflowne

DS game, "Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney[/spoiler]




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Postby jon_jinn » Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:49 am

Wingzero22 wrote:TMOHS has alot of homage.

A list of homage that they did and I do this as spoiler tag.


[spoiler]Gundam SEED

Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni (highly successful fan made murder mystery sound novel and is now an anime)

Slayers

Space Crusier Yamato

Macross 7

2001: A Space Odyssey

Kinnikuman (the manga)

Principality of Zeon (gundam)

Gundam

Parody of the opening to Visions of Escaflowne

DS game, "Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney[/spoiler]




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could you explain how TMOHS relates to the anime titles you mentioned above? if it's too much work, you don't need to. but it would be greatly appreciated. :sweat:
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- John MacArthur

"In the total expanse of the human life, there is not a single square inch of which Christ, who alone is sovereign, does not declare, 'That is mine'."
- Abraham Kuyper

"God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by His most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy."
- Westminister Confession of Faith (Chapter 5, Section 1)

"The wisdom of God has found a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God all the while upholding the righteousness of God!!"
- John Piper

"Grace is the pleasure of God to magnify the worth of God by giving sinners the right and power to delight in God without obscuring the glory of God!"
-John Piper

"The very One from Whom we need to be saved, is the One Who has saved us."
- R.C. Sproul

"All of Christian life is ceaseless worship of God the Father, through the mediatorship of God the Son, by the indwelling power of God the Spirit, doing what God commands in Scripture, not doing what God forbids in Scripture, in culturally contextualized ways, for the furtherance of the Gospel, when both gathered for adoration, and scattered for action, in joyous response to God's glorious grace."
- Mark Driscoll

"Believers do not pray with the view of informing God about things unknown to Him, or of exciting Him to do His duty, or of urging Him as though He were reluctant. On the contrary, they pray in order that they may arouse themselves to seek Him, that they may exercise their faith in meditating on His promises, that they may relieve themselves from their anxieties by pouring them into His bosom; in a word, that they may declare that from Him alone they hope and expect, both for themselves and for others, all good things."
- Martin Luther

"I have to tell you first that I am ready to die. I have put my affairs in order. Your supreme weapon is killing. My supreme weapon is dying, because when you kill me, people all over Romania will read my books and believe on the God that I preach - even more than they do now."
- Dr. Joseph Ton, the exiled Romanian pastor (quoted by James Montgomery Boice)

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Postby Mangafanatic » Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:05 am

I can't tell you for sure, because it's been a while since I've seen the series, but this is the connects as best as I can remember them:

Space Crusier Yamato-- The gaming episode in which the gang of the SOS Brigade become space ship flying heros would be my guys on where we get SCY references here.


Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni-- Since I've only seen two episodes, I can't say for sure, but the atmosphere of the show coupled with what little of it I've seen makes me say that the "Island Murder Mystery" episode is very likely the big homare to HnNKN.

Since I don't know much about the other series, I'll leave more educated members to make the connections on those. :P Great list, WingZero!
Every year in Uganda, innumerable children simply. . . disappear. These children all stolen under the cover of darkness from their homes and impressed into the guerilla armies of the LRA [Lord's Resistance Army]. In the deserts of Uganda, they are forced to witness the mindless slaughter of other children until they themselves can do nothing but kill. Kill. These children, generally ranging from ages 5-12, are brainwashed into murdering in the name of the resistance and into stealing other children from their beds to suffer the same fate.

Because of this genocide of innocence, hundred and hundreds of children live every night sleeping in public places miles from their homes, because they know that if the do not-- they will disappear. They will become just another number in this genocide to which the international community has chosen to turn a blind eye. They will become, in affect, invisible-- Invisible Children.

But there are those who are trying to fight against this slaughter of Uganda's children. They fight to protect these "invisible children." Please, help them help a country full of children who know nothing by fear. Help save the innocence. For more information concerning how you can help and how you can get an incredible video about this horrific reality, visit the Invisible Children home page.
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Postby jon_jinn » Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:33 am

thanks for those two mangafanatic. i guess this is another quality of TMOHS that makes the anime so awesome.
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- John MacArthur

"In the total expanse of the human life, there is not a single square inch of which Christ, who alone is sovereign, does not declare, 'That is mine'."
- Abraham Kuyper

"God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by His most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy."
- Westminister Confession of Faith (Chapter 5, Section 1)

"The wisdom of God has found a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God all the while upholding the righteousness of God!!"
- John Piper

"Grace is the pleasure of God to magnify the worth of God by giving sinners the right and power to delight in God without obscuring the glory of God!"
-John Piper

"The very One from Whom we need to be saved, is the One Who has saved us."
- R.C. Sproul

"All of Christian life is ceaseless worship of God the Father, through the mediatorship of God the Son, by the indwelling power of God the Spirit, doing what God commands in Scripture, not doing what God forbids in Scripture, in culturally contextualized ways, for the furtherance of the Gospel, when both gathered for adoration, and scattered for action, in joyous response to God's glorious grace."
- Mark Driscoll

"Believers do not pray with the view of informing God about things unknown to Him, or of exciting Him to do His duty, or of urging Him as though He were reluctant. On the contrary, they pray in order that they may arouse themselves to seek Him, that they may exercise their faith in meditating on His promises, that they may relieve themselves from their anxieties by pouring them into His bosom; in a word, that they may declare that from Him alone they hope and expect, both for themselves and for others, all good things."
- Martin Luther

"I have to tell you first that I am ready to die. I have put my affairs in order. Your supreme weapon is killing. My supreme weapon is dying, because when you kill me, people all over Romania will read my books and believe on the God that I preach - even more than they do now."
- Dr. Joseph Ton, the exiled Romanian pastor (quoted by James Montgomery Boice)

"The best prayer I ever prayed had enough sin in it to condemn the whole world."
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Postby Mangafanatic » Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:39 am

I went and double checked some of the references. I had to correct some and add some others:

Shuffle!-- the manga Haruhi flashes
Pheonix Wright--the way Haruhi pulls off her "I know who dunnit!" motion is a direct reference to the game.
Full Metal Panic--from what I understand, there's a character who shares Kyon love of ponytails in this anime.
Gundam-- Haruhi's crimson and gold commander's uniform in the gaming episode looks shockingly like Char Aznable costume in Gundam.
Every year in Uganda, innumerable children simply. . . disappear. These children all stolen under the cover of darkness from their homes and impressed into the guerilla armies of the LRA [Lord's Resistance Army]. In the deserts of Uganda, they are forced to witness the mindless slaughter of other children until they themselves can do nothing but kill. Kill. These children, generally ranging from ages 5-12, are brainwashed into murdering in the name of the resistance and into stealing other children from their beds to suffer the same fate.

Because of this genocide of innocence, hundred and hundreds of children live every night sleeping in public places miles from their homes, because they know that if the do not-- they will disappear. They will become just another number in this genocide to which the international community has chosen to turn a blind eye. They will become, in affect, invisible-- Invisible Children.

But there are those who are trying to fight against this slaughter of Uganda's children. They fight to protect these "invisible children." Please, help them help a country full of children who know nothing by fear. Help save the innocence. For more information concerning how you can help and how you can get an incredible video about this horrific reality, visit the Invisible Children home page.
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Postby Roy Mustang » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:04 am

Okay, this is just off the top of my head on what I can remember.

In one ep, one character was reading 2001: A Space Odyssey

The quote "Glory to the Computer Club!" = "Glory to the Principality of Zeon!"

Another quote "I'm launching!" in TMOHS was also said by Amuro in Gundam.

A comment is made in one ep of TMOHS that was very close to the same comment that Sagara Sousuke said in FMP: Fumoffu.


In Escaflowne OP, Hitomi is looking up at a shooting star in the night sky and then there is a close up of her face. One of the character in the OP of TMOHS does the same thing.

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Postby Kai Robin » Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:31 am

I think I read somewhere that it was the same animation studio that worked on Second Raid as TMOHS
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Postby Mangafanatic » Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:36 pm

Kai Robin wrote:I think I read somewhere that it was the same animation studio that worked on Second Raid as TMOHS



That's correct. They were both animated by Kyoto Animation
Every year in Uganda, innumerable children simply. . . disappear. These children all stolen under the cover of darkness from their homes and impressed into the guerilla armies of the LRA [Lord's Resistance Army]. In the deserts of Uganda, they are forced to witness the mindless slaughter of other children until they themselves can do nothing but kill. Kill. These children, generally ranging from ages 5-12, are brainwashed into murdering in the name of the resistance and into stealing other children from their beds to suffer the same fate.

Because of this genocide of innocence, hundred and hundreds of children live every night sleeping in public places miles from their homes, because they know that if the do not-- they will disappear. They will become just another number in this genocide to which the international community has chosen to turn a blind eye. They will become, in affect, invisible-- Invisible Children.

But there are those who are trying to fight against this slaughter of Uganda's children. They fight to protect these "invisible children." Please, help them help a country full of children who know nothing by fear. Help save the innocence. For more information concerning how you can help and how you can get an incredible video about this horrific reality, visit the Invisible Children home page.
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