What kinds of fans scare you the most?

[mitsuki lover]

Kim Manning Zombies!Like those on this forum.

[Nate]

Fans that wonder about the hygiene procedures of their favorite female characters.

CORRIE.

You gain +20 internets.

Also, you've given me a terribly evil idea...oh yes...mwahahahahaha.

[Bobtheduck]

Lolicon and furries... That's what bothers me. Hentai and Yaoi fans bother me too, but not as much... I don't even know what a guts fanatic is... A really hardcore Berserk fan?

*shrugs*

Oh, and since I don't read much fanfiction, self-insertion isn't an issue with me, and to be honest I don't see why it's as big of an issue as people make it. Technically, the only legal fanfiction is that which uses entirely new characters that merely adhere to the rules of that world. Using characters from that world is illegal. In that respect, chances are one of your new characters will reflect you in some way.

[Stephen]

Kim Manning Zombies!Like those on this forum.

Care to expound on that, or do you post vague to avoid confrontation?

[minakichan]

Oh, and since I don't read much fanfiction, self-insertion isn't an issue with me, and to be honest I don't see why it's as big of an issue as people make it. Technically, the only legal fanfiction is that which uses entirely new characters that merely adhere to the rules of that world. Using characters from that world is illegal. In that respect, chances are one of your new characters will reflect you in some way.

It's legal if you're paid to do it and the rights owner gives you permission >_>; And you're right, but just because it's illegal doesn't mean it's unethical; copyright infringement and intellectual property laws are rather ridiculous today.

And I don't think it's "a big deal," but it is rather annoying; however, lots of us are illogical masochists who read this stuff occasionally just to complain about it. >_>

[Nate]

Self-insertion is a big issue because self-inserts always, ALWAYS have one (or all) of the following characteristics:

1) They are at least twice as powerful as any of the canon characters, often times even more than twice as powerful.

2) Self-inserts are always the most important person in the entire universe, even more important than canon characters.

3) Self-inserts have a horrible ability to immediately attract any and all members of the opposite sex, even in blatant disregard to canon pairings. For an example, a Sailor Moon self-insert would have Usagi head over heels for him despite her love for Mamoru (switch the names for a female self-insert).

It just makes for extremely terrible writing and wish-fulfillment. That's why self-inserts are the bane of fanfiction. This is very different from writing a unique character that happens to have some of your traits, which is common in most writing and perfectly acceptable.

[Roy Mustang]

1. People who call themselves "Otaku". It's kinda annoying.
2. Wapanese/Japanophiles/Asian-Wannabes. People who obsess too much with asian snacks, cuisine, culture, etc bug me. I could go great lengths as to why I have a sense of dislike towards these types of people, but I don't feel like it.

--Yaoi Fangirls.
--Non-canon Yaoi Fangirls.
--Yaoi Fangirls that decide to write a non-canon, badly spelled and badly
--Furries (the serious ones).
--False Elitists (i.e., "ZOMG NARUTO IS THE BEST ANIME EVAR ND INUYASHA ROX MY SOX.")
--Other Elitists (i.e., "You haven't heard of [obscure anime title]? And you call yourself an anime fan?)

Since Ryan and Corrie can read mind. I just copy and add a few things.

Another Elistists group that scares me is the sub/dub elistist and the it has to be uncut anime and no watching it tv elitist group.

They just take the fun out of enjoying anime. People like this need to just agree on watching it the way they want to and not bash people for not going along with their anime watching views.

Also, cosplay elistists (aka: thread counters)

Now I cosplay, and I do agree with some of the comments made about cosplay here. One group that bugs me is those thread counters or elistists that are picky about you have to fully look like that said person that you cosplaying or that you didn't put a piece or a thread just right.

I know that some cosplay to win awards and I understand that. There is some that have done so well in cosplay that they sell stuff for living.

I have talk to those and most of them will tell you one thing. Just go out and enjoy yourself, because if you start being too picky or give others a hard time about their costume, then you are taken the fun away from you and others.

This why cosplay.com is one of the best cosplay community and they are very supportive.

Also, the cosplayers that will put up a web site and you have to pay money to look at their cosplay pictures. Most of these people are not cosplaying for fun, but sell their face and most of them are trying to be models or are models.

I can think of one women from France that has cheated her way in the big cosplay contest in Japan and she pays people to make her costumes.

There is nothing wrong with having a costume made for you, but its cheating to go in a cosplay contest with something that you didn't make.

[color="Red"][font="Book Antiqua"]Col. Roy Mustang[/font][/color]

[Shadowalker]

Fans who will take characters who are clearly heterosexual in the canon, and make them yaoi or yuri (gay or lesbian) in fanfics, often in the most unrealistic of pairings. If there's a particular yaoi or yuri pairing that is genuinely plausible given the canon, or in fact is canon, I don't really fault people for writing that pairing as such in a fanfic. For whatever reason, though, I find that yaoi and yuri fans have an almost bizarre need to take a straight character and make him gay or lesbian even when there really are plenty of gay and lesbian anime characters to make plausible yaoi or yuri fanfics out of. It's quite puzzling to me...

Lolicon and shotacon fans disturb me quite a bit, I must admit.

Fans who are more into hentai than into actual anime stories.

Fans who make a huge deal on dubs vs. subs.

Fans who get extremely upset at the slightest alteration in content when translating from Japanese to English dub - getting upset at the One Piece dub I can understand; getting upset over anything less than such a massive content alteration I can't.

[minakichan]

Hm, I don't think I quite understand the issue of people calling themselves "otaku." I know that a lot of people believe that "otaku" is a very offensive term, as if it's used in a Miyazaki Tsutomu-esque sense suggesting one who has no social life or is violently obsessed with lolicon, but in ordinary speech it's still not really terribly negative, especially after Densha Otoko. People still can jokingly refer to themselves as otaku in Japan; it's not wholly different from MIT students calling themselves nerds or Trekkies admitting they are geeks.

I mean, I'm sure if you end every sentence with "...and I'm an otaku," that gets really annoying. ("Pass the soy-sauce-flavored Pocky, and I'm an otaku.")

[Aileen Kailum]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mWoj0yVJBf4&feature=related

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Yeah.

[uc pseudonym]

One group comes to mind. They aren't really frightening, but they do bother me in a different way than your traditional crowd of obsessed fans. I can't think of a concise appropriate term, so I'll describe them as best I can.

The fans that bother me are the ones that mindlessly follow a series in every way. They love the utterly generic lead and admire his determination and that he will protect his friends. Every time the author does a hackneyed cliffhanger they post something along the lines of "nooo, don't die! waiiiii!" Most of them talk excessively about how hot the characters are.

I try to defend my hobbies to others, saying that they aren't mindless pulp entertainment. But when I see these individuals, it makes me wonder if I'm not wrong. Is anime and manga mostly a trashy mass-produced industry? Am I kidding myself when I say I read it for better reasons? Sometimes I really don't know.

But moe fans...MOE FANS...oh gosh. They say that "ELFEN LIED IS TEH BEST ANIME EVAR!!! LUCY LOOKS SO HAWT!"

Lucy is moe? Or do you mean Nyu? Because Lucy definitely has the psychopath thing going on, which isn't really a moe characteristic in my mind (awesome as it may be).

[Roy Mustang]

If a person wants to be called an otaku, then be my guess. But I don't understand what is the obsession wanting to be called another's house.

But I guess there are some obsessions that will never be understood or should be understood for that matter.


[color="Red"][font="Book Antiqua"]Col. Roy Mustang[/font][/color]

[Shao Feng-Li]

Anyone mention the kinda guy that's obsessed with the female characters of anime?

[Nate]

Anyone mention the kinda guy that's obsessed with the female characters of anime?

You mean the kind of guy that takes underage female anime characters and puts them in a harem?

Yeah, they scare me more than anything else.

[AsianBlossom]

Someone mentioned people who inserted themselves into fanfictions. I did that once with a Teen Titans fanfic (which I need to get around to finishing), but it was under the guise of a not-so-powerful superhero from a new Titans group that "sprouted up" near my hometown. Besides, the whole focus of the story was on Raven.

And then someone mentioned taking straight characters and making them not-so-straight...*shudders* I've heard too much about that with Teen Titans.

(I know "double T" isn't anime, but still...what was mentioned applies)

And thanks, MSP. I was worried I was annoying you and everyone else...I'm such a weird Japan-obsessed American girl of (mostly) European descent XD .

[Shao Feng-Li]

You mean the kind of guy that takes underage female anime characters and puts them in a harem?

Yeah, they scare me more than anything else.

Yeah, those too.

[desperado]

One group comes to mind. They aren't really frightening, but they do bother me in a different way than your traditional crowd of obsessed fans. I can't think of a concise appropriate term, so I'll describe them as best I can.

The fans that bother me are the ones that mindlessly follow a series in every way. They love the utterly generic lead and admire his determination and that he will protect his friends. Every time the author does a hackneyed cliffhanger they post something along the lines of "nooo, don't die! waiiiii!" Most of them talk excessively about how hot the characters are.

I try to defend my hobbies to others, saying that they aren't mindless pulp entertainment. But when I see these individuals, it makes me wonder if I'm not wrong. Is anime and manga mostly a trashy mass-produced industry? Am I kidding myself when I say I read it for better reasons? Sometimes I really don't know.


Lucy is moe? Or do you mean Nyu? Because Lucy definitely has the psychopath thing going on, which isn't really a moe characteristic in my mind (awesome as it may be).

I really agree with you on that about the mindlessness of some fans.

Also on the Nyu thing, might have been tsundere or however its spelled they were talking about (I really am getting sick of the same old it always is one of the three female character archtypes that the japanese are obsessed with).

[kat-su-chan]

Oh a lot of thems...


I am scared of all of these...but to add to the list:
- Japanese Audio Purists- The fans who are really picky about only watching the SUBS. Because the dubbers are somehow totally against their show and want to ruin it. (English VAs are ACTORS not Imitators!)

come on now...you have to admit that original Japanese audio is about TENMILLIONTIMES better than english dub :|
Maybe im frightening, but I refuse to watch any anime in english, because it's so irritating and annoying that I want to rip off my head and never watch anime again when I do.
:| ok maybe i am kind of scary. but that's besides the point. Japanese audio is better. can't deny it. (hmph)

[Puguni]

come on now...you have to admit that original Japanese audio is about TENMILLIONTIMES better than english dub :|
Maybe im frightening, but I refuse to watch any anime in english, because it's so irritating and annoying that I want to rip off my head and never watch anime again when I do.
:| ok maybe i am kind of scary. but that's besides the point. Japanese audio is better. can't deny it. (hmph)

Though I lean toward original dubbing as well, you can't say they're all bad without seeing ALL animes in English. I have to say, the Naruto dubbing is pretty good, and I still ardently defend Sailor Moon dubbing .

As for Japanese voice acting, doesn't it bother you that most female characters have really annoyingly high voices? How can it not? I swear, they must have completely replaced air with helium in Japan. :/

I can't believe I'm saying this, but America has come a long way in terms of voice acting.

[minakichan]

I don't think it's really fair to make sweeping generalizations-- citing tendencies or correlations, valid, but to say that ALL English dubs suck is a little unfair (and I'm a sub-only fan!). I would say that most English dubs TEND to be worse than the original (and generally that applies to dubbing for other film into other languages), but there are some-- dubs done by Disney (the Miyazakis) or other big-name companies, that hire REAL actors-- that are just as good if not better than the original.

BUT I will say that if you're talking about Chinese anime voice acting, the generalizations are totally valid; I've never seen anything of any remote quality at all. Seriously, for anyone whose skin breaks out in hives upon hearing Vic Mignona, you should try anime dubbed in Chinese; it totally changes your perspective on things.

[Tyrel]

... Maybe I've been hiding under a Rock... but I haven't met too many Anime fans that bother me because of their interest in Anime...

I mean.. I'm sorry.. Pokemon are NOT sexy. They are freakin' animals.. not even.. erk.. wow.. Nope, not going there.

Of course.. I haven't met any Fangirls.. and wouldn't seek them out from the sounds of it..

I suppose the only ones that can perhaps somewhat confuse me are those who stop watching an Anime as soon as it's popular, because they don't like to "conform". Those who don't want to share Anime with anybody else, because it's "their thing". That doesn't really bother me, personally, because I get along just fine.. but it does sort of make me wonder about them. Do they like Anime because of the Anime, or because of how liking Anime makes them see themselves? Either way, I don't really mind I guess.. but in principle it bothers me.

At least.. those are the only types I would have a bit of beef with.. some of the others I wouldn't touch with a 29 foot pole, less they notice which rock I hide under. I'm just fine with not coming in contact with them.

Though I lean toward original dubbing as well, you can't say they're all bad without seeing ALL animes in English. I have to say, the Naruto dubbing is pretty good,...

Hold it riiiiiight there. Call me a snob, but there are very few dubs I can watch, or appreciate more than the original Japanese.. Probably limited to the Kenshin OVA's and Princess Mononoke. But out of all the dubs you could mention in support of fair dubbing jobs... you Choose Naruto???

I'm sorry, my baby sister, age 11, would probably object even more than me. A devout Naruto Fan who will not be swayed]One group comes to mind. They aren't really frightening, but they do bother me in a different way than your traditional crowd of obsessed fans. I can't think of a concise appropriate term, so I'll describe them as best I can.

The fans that bother me are the ones that mindlessly follow a series in every way. They love the utterly generic lead and admire his determination and that he will protect his friends. Every time the author does a hackneyed cliffhanger they post something along the lines of "nooo, don't die! waiiiii!" Most of them talk excessively about how hot the characters are.

I try to defend my hobbies to others, saying that they aren't mindless pulp entertainment. But when I see these individuals, it makes me wonder if I'm not wrong. Is anime and manga mostly a trashy mass-produced industry? Am I kidding myself when I say I read it for better reasons? Sometimes I really don't know.
[/QUOTE]

So.. You mean Teenagers who play Halo when they aren't watching Naruto or Bleach.... right?

Well, I can definitely sympathize, but I don't worry about them very much.

[Tyrel]

Though I lean toward original dubbing as well, you can't say they're all bad without seeing ALL animes in English. I have to say, the Naruto dubbing is pretty good,...

Hold it riiiiiight there. Call me a snob, but there are very few dubs I can watch, or appreciate more than the original Japanese.. Probably limited to the Kenshin OVA's and Princess Mononoke. But out of all the dubs you could mention in support of fair dubbing jobs... you Choose Naruto???

I'm sorry, my baby sister, age 11, would probably object even more than me. A devout Naruto Fan who will not be swayed; absolute hate runs through her veins for the English dubbing job. I have to agree with her.. the english dubbing in Naruto is quite terrible.. It alone can turn beginners away from Anime altogether. Naruto's voice... my ears are already hurting thinking about it.

But in seriousness, I'm not trying to pick on you, I'm just saying.. it's odd you should use that example, when I would likely use that as the example of some of the worst and most annoying voice actors I've heard in English.. Granted, I try to avoid most dubbing, so maybe Naruto really is better than others {shudders}. Maybe it's just Naruto's voice that drives me up the wall in English.. really up the wall..


I suppose I probably am a snob about this now. I remember I used to argue "pro-dub" when I had seen almost no Anime at all. When I actually got into Anime, I just immediately recognized the tastiness of the original voice acting, which usually was as good as it gets. I only watch the Dubs when I'm really really impressed with how good they are.. like in the Kenshin OVA's.

[Tyrel]

One group comes to mind. They aren't really frightening, but they do bother me in a different way than your traditional crowd of obsessed fans. I can't think of a concise appropriate term, so I'll describe them as best I can.

The fans that bother me are the ones that mindlessly follow a series in every way. They love the utterly generic lead and admire his determination and that he will protect his friends. Every time the author does a hackneyed cliffhanger they post something along the lines of "nooo, don't die! waiiiii!" Most of them talk excessively about how hot the characters are.

I try to defend my hobbies to others, saying that they aren't mindless pulp entertainment. But when I see these individuals, it makes me wonder if I'm not wrong. Is anime and manga mostly a trashy mass-produced industry? Am I kidding myself when I say I read it for better reasons? Sometimes I really don't know.

So.. You mean Teenagers who play Halo when they aren't watching Naruto or Bleach.... right?

Well, I can definitely sympathize, but I don't worry about them very much.

[Mave]

Since the question is about 'scary', not annoying.....

1) Male photographers who stalk after sexy cosplayers of a certain type: Ever seen a bunch of guys gravitate towards some girl who's wearing something skimpy (i.e. Mai of King of Fighters) or something that looks like a bunnysuit?

Or those who chase after gothic fashion/schoolgirls and take multiple snapshots?

It's Ok to take one or two shots and move on....but to keep following you all the way? Creepy. I try my best not to imagine what those guys may be fantasizing.

2) Guys who are hardcore hentai fans (won't get into nasty details). At least, I know yaoi fangirls aren't fantasizing about me.

I once made this comment at an anime convention in Singapore:
Mave: Hey, considering all the yaoi fangirls and hentai fans [plus all the additional unmentionables], don't you think the concentration of perverted ppl are exceptionally high over here?
Buddy: Eh yeah.
Mave: So hypothetically, if we bombed this convention, we would have done the world some good by helping to clean society?
Buddy: LOL So, why are you into anime and manga again?

[Sheenar]

I personally like both dubs and subs. Depends on the series.

[termyt]

I once made this comment at an anime convention in Singapore:
Mave: Hey, considering all the yaoi fangirls and hentai fans [plus all the additional unmentionables], don't you think the concentration of perverted ppl are exceptionally high over here?
Buddy: Eh yeah.
Mave: So hypothetically, if we bombed this convention, we would have done the world some good by helping to clean society?
Buddy: LOL So, why are you into anime and manga again?

LOL, indeed.

The types of fan you talk about, Mave, scare me the most - but mostly because a lot of the young ladies do not understand male motivations and that can lead to trouble.

The other type of fan that gets my goat is the elitist type who thumbs their noses at other types of fans as if their particular brand of fandom is the only legitimate one.

You know the type I am talking about. The type that would advocate bombing a studio to prevent them from making live-action Evangelion because it will obviously suck and no one should ever be allowed to do anything that they think will suck and no one, not even the series creators, knows better than them what’s good.

That reminds me of a good story. My friends and I were standing around listening to the anime nerds at a con talking about how all dubs suck anyways so it didn’t matter if some studios stopped dubbing anime since no true anime fan would watch any version but the subtitled one since subtitles are more accurate blah blah blah. At that point, my buddy blurted out “What? You need subtitles? What kind of fan are you?â€

[AsianBlossom]

[quote="termyt (post: 1189102)"] At that point, my buddy blurted out “]

XDDDDDDDD

He's got a great point!

Yeah, I guess elitists kind of bug me...if they're going to become experts, they might as well keep their opinions to themselves for the sake of fact, you know? Unless someone wants their opinion. But in my case, unless someone wants to change, they're not really going to give a care about a word you say, so you could pretty much argue your side until you're blue in the face. But they're still not going to change.

Sorry...just had to say that. I've had a couple of encounters with people who didn't want to change their minds about certain things...it wasn't anime related, but still.

I guess it counts for anime too, though. I mean, you might have some fans out there who are probably all "U sai u dont liek Naruto u gots 2 dai!!" and whatnot who won't listen to a word of reason.

And Mave, funny conversation, but I think if anything were to happen, you would have to gather all the perverted anime fans who are totally devoted to their cause(s) in one giant convention center or something, and then Jesus comes and shows them their sinfulness and how much they truly need Him, and they all convert.

[Hana Ryuuzaki]

Yeah, the hardcore yaoi, yuri, hentai fans...
They is be scary.
But what scares me the most is the shotacon and lolicon fans.

I mean, WHY HAVE PICTURES OF UNCLOTHED CHILDREN?! IT'S BASICALLY CHILD PORN!

Also, the pervy photographers scare me. Especially when you get the skanky guys flocking around a little girl dressed as Sailor Moon!
THAT IS SCARY!

Yeah, I hate ALL kinds of those stuff, but when it involves children, that's when I get furiously offended.

[Puguni]

Hold it riiiiiight there. Call me a snob, but there are very few dubs I can watch, or appreciate more than the original Japanese.. Probably limited to the Kenshin OVA's and Princess Mononoke. But out of all the dubs you could mention in support of fair dubbing jobs... you Choose Naruto???

I'm sorry, my baby sister, age 11, would probably object even more than me. A devout Naruto Fan who will not be swayed]

You're talking to someone who only watches subtitles. Anyway, it's strictly a matter of opinion, though I suppose my opinion is moot, since I have never seen original Naruto dubbing. I chose Naruto because I assumed that the voice actors were trying to stick to the original, which doesn't usually happen. :/ FYI, you are being the poster child of such snobbery.

I suppose it would have been better if I chose something like Miyazaki.

I will stand by what I said earlier concerning girls in Japanese voice acting. I dislike how most of them are annoyingly high pitched.

EDIT: Sorry for double posting, but I thought this warranted its own post.

I suppose the only ones that can perhaps somewhat confuse me are those who stop watching an Anime as soon as it's popular, because they don't like to "conform". Those who don't want to share Anime with anybody else, because it's "their thing". That doesn't really bother me, personally, because I get along just fine.. but it does sort of make me wonder about them. Do they like Anime because of the Anime, or because of how liking Anime makes them see themselves? Either way, I don't really mind I guess.. but in principle it bothers me.

Not so. Some people leave a fandom because once it becomes mainstream, perversion of the series becomes all too rampant. It's because of fangirls that I personally would leave a series, unless I liked it too much. Yes, rabid, senseless fangirls are enough to drive people away from a series.

And YES, I don't like lolicon/shotacon fans and especially how it's become more acceptable.

[Puguni]

Sorry for double posting, but I thought this warranted its own post.

I suppose the only ones that can perhaps somewhat confuse me are those who stop watching an Anime as soon as it's popular, because they don't like to "conform". Those who don't want to share Anime with anybody else, because it's "their thing". That doesn't really bother me, personally, because I get along just fine.. but it does sort of make me wonder about them. Do they like Anime because of the Anime, or because of how liking Anime makes them see themselves? Either way, I don't really mind I guess.. but in principle it bothers me.

Not so. Some people leave a fandom because once it becomes mainstream, perversion of the series becomes all too rampant. It's because of fangirls that I personally would leave a series, unless I liked it too much. Yes, rabid, senseless fangirls are enough to drive people away from a series.

And YES, I don't like lolicon/shotacon fans and especially how it's become more acceptable.