Code Geass- today is britainnian invasion day

[airichan623]

Today is August 10, 2010. In the Code Geass timeline, this is the day that Britainnia invades Japan. So, in the spirit of this event, I've resurrected the topic for discussion! So... what do u guys love/ hate about Code Geass?

Hate: Really the fanservice thing, and Nina's thing for Euphy.

Love: Just about everything. xD

I love all of the political subplots its extremely entertaining to look for real world parallels (which isnt too hard) however, one scary parallel- the building burning in the first episode of R2 reminded me of 9/11... not good.

This series also carries the record for most times cried in the space of 50 eps. :waah!::)

I admire the tenacity they had to
[spoiler]Kill Lelouch the title character character[/spoiler]

thoughts? come on fannies you know u wanna rant/ :rant:

I've seen it twice.

[Nate]

I love C.C. I won't say why. But anyone who knows me will know why.

Oh and I've never actually seen Code Geass.

[mechana2015]

Love: The designs of the mechs, the mobility concepts and the weapons.
Hate: Everything else. I don't like a single character out of the series, strongly dislike the plot, hate all the art except mechs and backgrounds. q-(>_< )

[goldenspines]

Love: Most of the art and animation and Johnny Yong Bosch's sultry and smooth voice.

Everything else was mediocre. It was a pretty okay series.

Hate: C.C. Well, I didn't hate her, I just thought she was annoying. :I

[Roy Mustang]

Love: The designs of the mechs, the mobility concepts and the weapons.
Hate: Everything else. I don't like a single character out of the series, strongly dislike the plot, hate all the art except mechs and backgrounds. q-(>_< )

Mecha just said everything that I would have said. Great mechs designs, everything else, I hated!
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[Mr. Hat'n'Clogs]

Love: The designs of the mechs, the mobility concepts and the weapons.
Hate: Everything else. I don't like a single character out of the series, strongly dislike the plot, hate all the art except mechs and backgrounds. q-(>_< )

In the words of Leliana and Morrigan, indeed.

[Yamamaya]

I love C.C. I won't say why. But anyone who knows me will know why.

Oh and I've never actually seen Code Geass.

I also love C.C. and I have seen Code Geass.

Let us celebrate the superiority of Britannia. LONG LIVE BRITANNIA



=my reaction to Goldy's comment on CC

Oh yah
Love: C.C., Lelouche, the plot
Hate: The R2 trainwreck.

[Nate]

Hate: C.C. Well, I didn't hate her, I just thought she was annoying. :I

I don't care how annoying she is, she's hot and she likes pizza, that makes her a winner in my book.

[Anime4Ever]

I don't care how annoying she is, she's hot and she likes pizza, that makes her a winner in my book.

Lol, to true. How can anybody hate her?

Love: The whole series.

Hate: The fact that Lelouch uses everybody, even th ones he loves.

[goldenspines]

=my reaction to Goldy's comment on CC

It's always nice to see I've done some good in the world. :3


C.C. to me, was a very weak character (which can be good or bad, depending what you like, I guess) who didn't add anything noteworthy to the anime besides someone for Lulu to talk to cause no one else will talk to him. XD

[Yamamaya]

It's always nice to see I've done some good in the world. :3


C.C. to me, was a very flat character (which can be good or bad, depending what you like, I guess) who didn't add anything noteworthy to the anime besides someone for Lulu to talk to cause no one else will talk to him. XD

I didn't really find her that flat to be honest. Her behavior was understandable considering the fact that, [SPOILER]She's lived for such a long time and been through every form of torture known to man.[/SPOILER]
In truth, she was one of the few characters who acted purely out of self interest yet she was still conflicted by the effects of her choices on others. She was relatively kind to others despite the times she's used others to try to give the Code to someone else.

Actually her role as, "the one Lulu talks to" is pretty significant imo. She told him from the get go that using Geass would isolate himself from others. Due to this isolation the only one he can really turn to is C.C. herself.

It's a YMMV kind of thing.

I think of her as Holo on sedatives.(and I personally think Holo is awesome btw)

[Winry]

I admire the tenacity they had to
[spoiler]Kill Lelouch the title character character[/spoiler]

Hm that is funny because...

[Spoiler]I thought Lelouch did end up surviving. I guess I assumed he got Charle's Code which would make him immortal and it was him driving the cart at the very end and C.C. talks to him. Maybe I thought wrong? /shrug[/spoiler]

[minakichan]

WHAT ARE YOU ALL TALKING ABOUT CODE GEASS IS BEST EVER.

Love: everything
Hate: everything

But like seriously, I think that if you think Code Geass is bad, you're missing the point. (And if you think it's good, you're wrong.) It is stupid and ridiculous and melodramatic and unrealistic, but complaining about that is like saying that musicals are stupid because people don't break out into song for no reason in real life. It's an opera. It's over-the-top, pulpy, purely shock value-y and kind of a train wreck. The characters are archetypes and symbols, not realistically-developed people, and their relationships are made to be the most simple and obvious (and therefore not-really-thought-out-or-original) ones that we see all the time in even the most ancient of epics.

In other words, I think sometimes we get caught up in what's "good" or "bad" and don't realize that there are other ways to evaluate something. I think that people in America especially have been primed as consumers to prefer more sophisticated (yes, you read that right) stories and (possibly artificially) more complex characters, which is also why American fans hate moe. This is why we're likey to look at Romeo and Juliet and be like MAN THEY'RE SO STUPID WHY WOULD YOU KILL YOURSELF JUST CUZ YOU CANT BE WITH THIS CHICK. It's so true! But it might not be the point.

[mechana2015]

My personal issue with the story was that, instead of tapping into the ancient epic concept they just sort of hung out on the framework of it (mind you I haven't seen R2). I can handle simple charachters, but these felt like they were more artificial than the artificially 'deep' charachters you mention. It's almost like they tried to split between parody and epic tale and fell down the middle.

Though I most definitely have liked it more if it had actually been an Opera, singing and all.

[minakichan]

My personal issue with the story was that, instead of tapping into the ancient epic concept they just sort of hung out on the framework of it (mind you I haven't seen R2). I can handle simple charachters, but these felt like they were more artificial than the artificially 'deep' charachters you mention. It's almost like they tried to split between parody and epic tale and fell down the middle.

Though I most definitely have liked it more if it had actually been an Opera, singing and all.

Hmm, I think I worded it wrong. I don't think the characters are necessarily "deep" at all. Otaku scholar Hiroki Azuma has this theory of the databases in anime-- there's a database of characteristics and character archetypes that a lot of more modern (post-Di Gi Charat) anime draws from; rather than creating well-rounded characters, creators will take old elements from the database and combine them in new (?!) ways. This is the basis of moe, and the reason there are so many stupid tropes associated with it; there's the sense of "Well, the cat ears are cute, and so are pigtails... and hey, I like girls who play guitars! Let's have a girl who has cat ears, pigtails, and plays the guitar!" That's an oversimplification but you get the point.

I think Code Geass does that too. Well, all anime does it to an extent, but Code Geass draws the most extreme archetypes and combines them like crazy. So we have something like "We'll make the main character this smart, tragic character, so let's give him a blind little sister and make him the top of his class and admired by everyone and have multiple love interests and crazy amazing skill at chess AND hacking AND rhetoric and he's a high school student but also a prince so there's the secret identity thing going on (and more secret identity as a terrorist) and let's give him heterochromatic eyes" or "Let's make a foil character! So he can be this childhood friend and a mysterious transfer student and the friendly rival and have a secret identity and he also has a thing for the main character's sister. And since he's a foil, he'll be not as smart but good at fighting and on the opposite side and from a completely different background and with an opposite sense of justice." Like seriously? Is that like every single category on TV Tropes? The only wrench that they threw in it was to make the main character not a true hero, but "anti-hero" is kind of ingrained in this database too.

So it's like they took EVERY TROPE IMAGINABLE, and the thing that they did that was unique, the thing that no one else did, is that no one else is crazy enough to decide HEY LET'S PUT AAAAAAAAALL OF THESE TOGETHER JUST FOR KICKS. I think it kind of had to be a parody and an epic at the same time to do that...

Also, don't say opera or they'll make a Code Geass stage musical!! D: D: D:

[mechana2015]

So it's like they took EVERY TROPE IMAGINABLE, and the thing that they did that was unique, the thing that no one else did, is that no one else is crazy enough to decide HEY LET'S PUT AAAAAAAAALL OF THESE TOGETHER JUST FOR KICKS. I think it kind of had to be a parody and an epic at the same time to do that...

Also, don't say opera or they'll make a Code Geass stage musical!! D: D: D:

XD
I dunno, I guess I'm just not a fan of the tropes being thrown together so harshly? I like other tropetastic stuff like Drrr and Birdy the Mighty, but the melding might be soft enough that it doesn't bother me in the other cases. Another example where the stereotypes didn't make me want to kill all the characters was Toradora, so maybe it's the art style combined with the characterization.


And you know seeing operatic mecha battles on rollerblades with foam block buildings collapsing all around would be awesome.

[blkmage]

The key for me to finding Code Geass entertaining was twofold: first, to stop taking it seriously, and two, to watch it while it was airing combined with the internet reaction machine. On its own, Geass was pretty mediocre. I thought it started out pretty strong and lost its way as it approached the end of the first season and then just spun out of control for the entirety of the second season. With GEASS SUNDAYS though, it was an amazing experience. And I think its impact on the community in 2008 was incredibly significant, kind of like Haruhi in 2006, leaving whether it was actually any good or not aside.

Also, mention of database animals ヽ(　ﾟ∀ﾟ)人(ﾟ∀ﾟ　)ﾉ

[Yamamaya]

[quote="minakichan (post: 1415907)"]Hmm, I think I worded it wrong. I don't think the characters are necessarily "deep" at all. Otaku scholar Hiroki Azuma has this theory of the databases in anime-- there's a database of characteristics and character archetypes that a lot of more modern (post-Di Gi Charat) anime draws from]

This is definitely true.

Gurren Lagann is also a prime example of this kind of action. That piece is filled with every trope imaginable and we love it for it.

[mechana2015]

And yet I don't hate the characters in Gurren Lagaan...

[GeneD]

I enjoyed Code Geass a lot because I was warned not to take it seriously and it was exactly the kind of meaningless-pop-corn anime I needed at the time. R2 was a bit much though, although I liked the end.

I don't really love or hate anything, because it doesn't get that much emotion from me. As I said I liked most of it. I didn't really like C.C., sorry to those who do, but I just didn't see a point to her, except for giving Lelouch geass in the very beginning. I found it funny though, that she spent almost all of the first season walking around in a straitjacket. I also didn't like [spoiler]Lelouch's mother coming back, that was silly. But of course most of R2 was.[/spoiler]

[Saved Gamer]

I haven't really seen much of Code Geass however I will say this:
Likes: the mechs ,some of the story and the action.
Dislikes: the fact that there is no real good guy to support. Britainnia is tyrannical and the rebels are little better.
But I say again, I haven't seen much.

[minakichan]

Dislikes: the fact that there is no real good guy to support. Britainnia is tyrannical and the rebels are little better.

I think that's the point-- there's no good guy, and it goes into grays. Not in any meaningful, original way of course, buuuuuut...

Actually, I remember someone from Sunrise saying that Code Geass was their attempt to tell a story with Char as the protagonist and Amuro as his enemy. While it's definitely more over-the-top than the original Gundam, I think that's a great point-- Amuro isn't the "good guy" of original Gundam, he's just the guy we see things through and the one we therefore support. Both sides commit atrocities in war, and both have good points too... WAIT KIND OF LIKE REAL WARS O_______O;;; but not really.

[Saved Gamer]

[quote="minakichan (post: 1417212)"]I think that's the point-- there's no good guy, and it goes into grays. Not in any meaningful, original way of course, buuuuuut...

Actually, I remember someone from Sunrise saying that Code Geass was their attempt to tell a story with Char as the protagonist and Amuro as his enemy. While it's definitely more over-the-top than the original Gundam, I think that's a great point-- Amuro isn't the "good guy" of original Gundam, he's just the guy we see things through and the one we therefore support. Both sides commit atrocities in war, and both have good points too... WAIT KIND OF LIKE REAL WARS O_______O]

I guess it's more the fact that the good guys are so incredibly Machiavellian. I have heard that everything works out in the end but not in the most ideal way.

[Yukio Masachita]

If you don't mind me saying, I do find Code Geass the most disturbing Anime since Elfen Lied because of the tyranny and racism that I have an obsessive hatred towards Britannians (Indiscriminately... Except for Euphemia).

After watching the first season, I was so anxious that I read the wikipedia on R2's plot.
[spoiler]Shirley's death made me cry and the ending where Lelouch succeeds with his Zero Requiem plan... The part of that which bugs me is that after all the horrible things the Britannian characters like Cornelia, Jeremiah, Villeta, etc. said to the "Elevens" and soon change to become accepting of the new world peace.

Okay, I'm cynical, naive and, probably, stupid too but why then the change of heart? Besides, since this is a christian site, its a shame that theres no God in Code Geass to judge or forgive anyone. Just the flipping collective consciousness which makes for a nihilisti- Anyway. I also wonder why some Britannians aren't so racist to Japanese in the first place, like Shirley and Lloyd (Another of the few Britannians I like for some reason. No worries, I won't burn him to death like everyone else)

I feel relieved after writing this now.[/spoiler]