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Tropes You Don't Like
PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:56 am
by rocklobster
Time to flip things around. Now I'll tell you the tropes I don't like.
1. Adaptation Decay--What's wrong with doing things like the source material?
2. Dork Age--a period of less than stellar and often stupid work.
3. Network Decay--a Cartoon Network should play Cartoons, not stupid Mythbusters rip-offs!:mutter:
4. Karma Houdini--except in Ferris Bueller
PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:50 pm
by Wyntre Rose
Adaptation Decay I agree with wholeheartedly.
Cannot Spit it Out - right, and the person you are confessing to never knows that you're about to tell them you're in love with them, even though you are couching it in terms that are pretty much only used for confessing feelings of love?! It was cute the first few times I saw it, but it's SO overdone.
Fanservice - of the sexual variety. I mean, I can take a little - and far more than I could when I first got into anime - but some shows take it WAY too far. And when it becomes the focus...I'm done. There has to be enough decent material to make the fanservice worth wading through for me. There can be innocent fanservice, which is just the author putting in something because they know the fans would love it, and that I'm fine with.
Fo Yay, Ho Yay, Les Yay, Bro Yay...did I miss any?! - more specifically, when fans of a show fabricate this out of thin air. There are some fandoms you just can't even get near because all of a sudden this one aspect is all the fans seem to want to goosh over. I've learned to just sigh and move along.
Fan Dumb - is connected to the above, sometimes. And people getting WAY too serious and sensitive about things that really...aren't all that important. Or, you know, REAL.
Ms. Fanservice - sometimes. When she is a
purely fanservice character - or purely a moe-blob - yeah, that's annoying. Some of them go on to get some decent character development, so not ALL of them are quite as irritating, though.
The Scrappy - yeah, sometimes the fandom is justified in hating a specific character. Also
The Replacement Scrappy.
Wallbanger - going episodes at a time building up to something that seems like it's going to be really deep, or emotional, or rewarding, and then pulling one of these is well...
like the name implies, really.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:55 pm
by K. Ayato
The Wesley (aka a Scrappy who keeps coming back and saving the day)
Mighty Whitey (Dances with Wolves, anyone?)
Draco in Leather Pants (X/X fan fiction)
Narm (you could call it the opposite of Large Ham)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:56 pm
by Atria35
Mighty Whitey- Not only Dances With Wolves, but... Well, almost any show you could put out there. Apparently, this now includes the Water Tribe.
Fan Dumb- I have been guilty of this once or twice, but at least I try.
Ms. Fanservice- Fanservice characters drive me up a wall. Fanservice itself, only if it interferes with the main plot. But to have someone that lives to show off her pantsu? No. Just no.
Executive Meddling- I cannot name how many shows I've loved that have fallen to this.
Viewers Are Morons- mix with Fan Dumb, stir, and....
Lowest Common Denominator- It's a neverending cycle. Shows get dumbed down believing that viewers are morons, smart people start turning off the tv, and then studies show that people watching tv are this. And shows are dumbed down again accordingly.
Development *alternative to Underworld*- We're still waiting...
Jump the Shark- Just let it die already!!!
Seasonal Rot- It got worse before it got better. Or did it?
Idiot Ball- and it's usually our favorite characters holding them.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:20 pm
by Bobtheduck
I thought i posted in here last night
LowLowFantasy - acting like taking all the fantasy out of fantasy will make it realistic, but most of the time they didn't do the research.
They changed it, now it sucks - You know, there is something to be said for not making a sequal a 180 degree change from the original... consistency can be good!
I had 5 or 6, but... I don't have time now, so I'll do more later.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:40 pm
by airichan623
um....wats a trope?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:38 pm
by Davidizer13
A trope is a literary device or plot point: pretty much anything that drives a plot or a character. If you have a story, it's going to be built from tropes. There's a website out there called tvtropes.org that's trying to describe all of them, as well as provide examples of where they appear in stories/video games/anime/what have you. They have names for them and everything. (Warning: That site has some rough spots on it, so watch your step. Also, it's Internet crack - you'll be hooked.) Tropes, in their definition, also include things like how a work was shot, things about the fandom surrounding works, or gameplay mechanics that appear again and again.
Anyway...
(foo) Sue - Write better characters. Or else.
Rape is the New Dead Parents - Trivializing felonies is fun!
That One Level (but not That One Boss) - Hard bosses: Good. Hard/badly designed levels: Bad.
The Wesley - The writers want you to like a character who is impossible to like.
-Shilling the Wesley - The writers see that you don't like a character that they want you to like, so they begin shoving said character down your throat.
Unwinnable (By Mistake/By Design)
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:29 am
by K. Ayato
Adults are Useless (Really depends on the plot. If stuff is going around that adults should be well aware of but for no explained reason aren't, then yes, I hate when this trope is evident.)
Break the Cutie (Sometimes essential to character development, but still, it's not always easy to swallow)
The Ditz
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:32 am
by Rocketshipper
Tropes I hate??? *burning passion is ignited.
-Comic Book Time (
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ComicBookTime) (Doesn;t time ever pass in this show!!!!)
-Not Allowed to Grow Up (
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NotAllowedToGrowUp) (He's still 10 years old!!!!!)
-Long Runners (
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LongRunners)(654 episodes and counting!)
-The Artifact (
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheArtifact) (aren't they ever going to get rid of Brock????)
-Status Quo Is God (
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StatusQuoIsGod) (AAAARG! the worst ever! Another 4 years, another 8 gym badges, another lost League competition. Will it ever change!? Will it ever END!?)
LOL, sorry. Just really irritated with how Pokemon DP is ending its run, at the moment.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:52 pm
by rocklobster
some more ones I hate. (And I agree with the "Status Quo is God" thing.)
It's Popular So It Sucks--I refuse to use this to decide whether I like something.
Unpleaseable Fanbase--This right here is what makes me embarrassed to say I like Star Wars.
Everyone is Satan in Hell--When people think something has un-Christian implications when it isn't intended to. Harry Potter is one example.
Animation Age Ghetto--It's depressing that people still think cartoons are only for kids despite the existence of anime and Adult Swim in general.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:52 pm
by Atria35
Babies Make Everything Better- People may laugh at it on the screen, but applying that to people IRL gets on everybody's nerves
Book Dumb- What's wrong with being smart?... Or even average?!
As Long As It Sounds Foreign- Just get a translator already!
Did Not Do The Research- and all the subtropes that go with it.
Translation Train Wreck- Blind Idiot Translations are funny, these are just unreal.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:51 pm
by Rocketshipper
YES!!!
The Animation Age Getto sucks.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:28 pm
by teigeki_calesa
True Art is Angsty--I don't care what fans think, grimdark nihilism is not my cup of tea.
True Art is Incomprehensible--Let's call a spade a spade. The writer messed up the continuity...no the story in general and passes it off as mind screw.
Ron the Death Eater--I find this MORE irritating than Draco in Leather Pants.
Mary Sue--Not the character. The concept itself. It's as if it's now just a handy label for "character I don't like/not in my taste".
PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:52 am
by rocklobster
Face/Heel Revolving Door--Good guy becomes bad is fine. Bad guy becomes good is fine. But when they constantly switch sides, it's beyond annoying. Vegeta, this is for you!
Fallen Creator--When a favorite creator seems to lose his edge. Darn it, if Disney hadn't had its Renaissance, Don Bluth would still be making good animation!
PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:21 pm
by K. Ayato
Idiot Ball
PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:06 pm
by Blitzkrieg1701
Idiot Hero, Hot Blooded, The Determinator, Leeroy Jenkins, Boring Invincible Hero, Underdogs Never Lose, and most of the other tropes that keep Shonen protagonists alive.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:41 pm
by rocklobster
I'm getting sick of the Humans are
trope. Ever since Captain Planet, it's become so overused.
We're not all bad!
PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:06 pm
by Yamamaya
Redshirt army: What's the point of having an army if they die the instant real fighting begins!
Armor is useless: If armor was so useless no one ever would have used it.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:09 am
by teigeki_calesa
Kids Are Cruel/Ambiguous Innocence--Nothing upsets and irritates me than adults warping the concept of child innocence.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:36 am
by K. Ayato
Adults are Useless
PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:56 pm
by Atria35
teigeki_calesa (post: 1408427) wrote:Kids Are Cruel/Ambiguous Innocence--Nothing upsets and irritates me than adults warping the concept of child innocence.
Adults
warping the concept of child innocence? Trust me, after being an elementary school target, this is nothing but the truth. Most of the kids were abusive in every way imaginable, and they all knew
exactly what they were doing.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:37 pm
by Yamamaya
Atria35 (post: 1408708) wrote:Adults warping the concept of child innocence? Trust me, after being an elementary school target, this is nothing but the truth. Most of the kids were abusive in every way imaginable, and they all knew exactly what they were doing.
Yes this is true.
Don't think that just because they're kids that they're not evil.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:24 pm
by teigeki_calesa
I dunno. It all boils down to environment, I guess. Where I come from, kids are not that nasty. What I don't like about the trope is that, it portrays ALL kids as little demons, which is also tantamount to agreeing humans are inherently b*****s.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:11 pm
by Bobtheduck
Dan Brown... Sorry, I mean Dan Browned and its kin (acting like you researched something but really being a big fat emtehitana.) I'm fine with unrealistic science and what have you. I'm not really a hard science fiction fan (it's too restrictive) but when you ACT like your stuff is accurate and researched when it's really not... That is the worst.
A man is not a virgin. Only because so many people, even Christians, buy into it. It's such an evil mindset, I don't even know where to start.
Ho Yay / Les Yay. Not that there are gay characters in fiction, but that when there aren't, overzealous fangirls force the issue, finding as much absurd "proof" as they can.
The Coconut effect, or at least how it relates to computers and phones. Especially one particular Phone sound effect that is ALWAYS done wrong. Why is it, on movies, when someone is hung up on, they hear a dial tone? This is what happens with a traditional, non-cellular phone when you keep your line open when the other side disconnects. There's a few seconds of silence, followed by a piercingly loud, fast, annoying beep similar to a busy signal. Similar things with computers bug me too... Inkjets and Laser printers sounding like Dot Matrixes, "hacking" anything just by beginning to type (with no terminal or anything), etc...
And I'm gonna agree with Atria. Viciousness and violent selfishness is natural for Children. It has to be trained OUT of them.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:45 pm
by Atria35
Thank you for the backup. Kids... Really, really scare me because of the stuff they do.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:29 am
by Rusty Claymore
This may not be a trope, but:
Bad Guy Turns Good, Gets Killed Same Episode.
I'm seriously sick of that one. They usually end up sacraficing themselves in some all-of-a-sudden hopeless situation.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:51 am
by Bobtheduck
Rusty Claymore (post: 1409600) wrote:This may not be a trope, but:
Bad Guy Turns Good, Gets Killed Same Episode.
I'm seriously sick of that one. They usually end up sacraficing themselves in some all-of-a-sudden hopeless situation.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RedemptionEqualsDeath
PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:17 pm
by Rocketshipper
Here's one I saw earlier today that really annoyes me.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ToughActToFollow
I understand loving the original installment of some series or whatever, and feeling nostalgic about it, but I really annoyes me when it seems like fans are so obsessed with the "original" work that they never give anything else after that a fair objective chance. I really like Yatzhee's quote at the top of the page.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:12 am
by Bobtheduck
The Barney. We all have something we don't like, but there are times it goes too far.
Reality is Unrealistic. This is like the ACTIVE version of the Coconut effect. NOt only does the real thing SEEM wrong, people get MAD about it. Particularly egregious when discussing movies based on real events. Earlier movies may be well loved, but some later, more accurate versions are derided (My pet case is "Bridge over the river Kwai" vs "To End All Wars" based on the same book, but one was full of Hollywood BS, and the other was a faithful rendition of the autobiographical book)
Space is Noisy. Ok, it's ok at times, but... Why is it that it's so RARE to see it portrayed realistically... In anime, for instance, I can only think of ONE time it's portrayed properly, and that's in Akira. Completely silent. (There's also the matter of the growth a certain character experiences making it so he can't hold himself together, and collapses under is own weight. Which is what would happen if he didn't cut off his circulation and so forth before that)
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:12 pm
by Rocketshipper
Space was portrayed silently in the brief space secuences from Magic Users' Club.