I'm writing a story, and I'm nervous.

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Postby Lochaber Axe » Thu Jan 15, 2004 2:51 pm

All great writers have one thing in common. It is a common curse that a proficient writer develops: the curse of the editorial subconscious. It is the unthinking need to fix something that you see on the screen or read. Actually this curse is found in all matter of fields. A proficient sculptor will have a nagging feeling to fix a certain "thing" that he feels is misplaced or whatever he feels is necessary on the sculptures he sees. All proficiencies have this curse.

What does this have to do with anything? I actually do not have any idea. :lol:

Oh and I do not say that I am proficient in writing. I am far from that. I can switch off that little voice in my head (the curse thing) and enjoy what I see. Sadly, however, that only works on published material, I look critically on anything on CAA. Even my own work.
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Postby Kesshin » Thu Jan 15, 2004 3:17 pm

Know what, Lochaber, that's all right. ^^ I can't think of a better editor than you. (Or reader, for that matter.) Some people, like me, have to work extra hard to turn the little voice in our heads on. Being able to turn it on easily makes you an excellent writer. I wonder, have you ever considered a career in editing? Seriously, you'd make an excellent editor. You give great advice, but you're never mean about it.
"Consider the lilies of the field. They neither sew nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed as one of these. If God so clothes the grass, which is in the field one day and cast into the oven the next, how much more will he clothe you, o ye of little faith?
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Postby Lochaber Axe » Thu Jan 15, 2004 7:39 pm

Kesshin wrote:I wonder, have you ever considered a career in editing? Seriously, you'd make an excellent editor.

Actually I have thought about becoming a techinical editor. Or at least get some training in it. Maybe a degree...

I just don't think however that I will go for the big publishing houses or newspapers because...

Kesshin wrote: You give great advice, but you're never mean about it.

Pardon my language, but I don't think I can handle the load of (doggy poo poo) those editors get. From awful stories that should have no reason in being mailed in, from authors that believe that the editors are destroying their stories, to the huge amount of work loads. That is the reason Simon from Idol is the way he is (of course that is an altogether different media). That is the way I might be (well at least he is honest about someone's talent). I could lose my caring for the welfare of the writer and not the book. So I will probably stick with lesser companies, maybe comics or American manga. It is going to be ripe for editors soon.
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Postby Kesshin » Fri Jan 16, 2004 2:07 pm

Yeah, manga is getting pretty big in the U.S. They'll be on the look out for people like you who can edit it.
Anyway, I'm doing some major editing on my story (the installments I haven't posted yet), so it's going to be a while, maybe two days, before I'm going to post them. Sorry 'bout that. But, they'll be much better for the editing. (Hopefully)
By the way, are you still reading, Chloe?
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New installment!

Postby Kesshin » Sat Jan 17, 2004 1:02 pm

All right, done editing. Here's the next installment. (This one's pretty long)
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Installment....um, I've lost count.
Pen stared at the green blood. Her already frazzled nerves felt like they couldn’t take anymore. She had watched Laowra and Sheila become terribly injured, taken on hunters in hand to hand combat, raced across a blazing desert without water; she could handle that. But finding out one of her teammates was an alien was a bit much. Ralda looked away from her in shame.
“I was going to tell you eventually.â€
"Consider the lilies of the field. They neither sew nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed as one of these. If God so clothes the grass, which is in the field one day and cast into the oven the next, how much more will he clothe you, o ye of little faith?
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Postby Icarus » Sat Jan 17, 2004 11:57 pm

SWING!

Sorry to use my personal vernacular, but this deserves it.

Slight critique: I think that Pen capitulated a bit too easily, but this is still an awesome section.

Bravo, milady.
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Postby Kesshin » Mon Jan 19, 2004 7:57 am

Aw, thank you, Icarus. :)
You think Pen was convinced too easily? Hm... *goes off and edits* There, is that better?
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Postby true_noir_chloe » Mon Jan 19, 2004 8:07 am

I'm still reading, Kesshin.:) I've decided to stop critiqueing and I'll just read along. I agree with Icarus; although, I had to look up capitulation. :lol: I always use acquiesce. :lol:

Of course, I'll always read your stuff. You're an up and coming writer and I look forward reading stuff from up and coming writers.;)

[size=84][color=seagreen]YOU SEE


You see into the deepest part of me ---

beyond the fog I hide behind.

You cast your light upon the shadows

that stretch like cobwebs in my mind.

You ease the pain when I am hurting,

and morbid visions from my past

pierce into the realm of Reason

as though I danced on blades of glass.

You grant me strength when I have fallen

and, once again, I've lost my way.

You take my hand in Yours and lead me

into the promise of a brand new day.

You bring order to all my chaos,

yet set my well-laid plans awry.

You place me on a firm foundation ---

then give me wings so I can fly.

You sand away my roughened edges

and polish all the dullest parts

until I stand before Your presence...

a newly-sculpted work of art.

You see into the heart within me,

right through my motives and selfish will.

And yet, in spite of all You see

You say You love me even still.


~by D.M.~

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Postby Kesshin » Mon Jan 19, 2004 8:10 am

Just read your post, Chloe. Glad you're still reading. ^^ But, by all means, keep critiquing. Your advice is really helpful.
"Consider the lilies of the field. They neither sew nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed as one of these. If God so clothes the grass, which is in the field one day and cast into the oven the next, how much more will he clothe you, o ye of little faith?
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Postby Icarus » Mon Jan 19, 2004 10:41 am

Yes, it is better. Good job.
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Postby Kesshin » Mon Jan 19, 2004 5:40 pm

I'll post my next installment tomorrow.
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poems

Postby Yuna-Tairyl Kc » Wed Jan 21, 2004 1:31 pm

gosh, story writting, i am no good at that, i rather stick to my dreams and poems,
i've really tried to write a story but i carnt seem to make an interesting fantasy story full of magic friendship conquest and romance, can some one give me advice please :P
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As the cherry bloosom open's my heart grow's for you,
As the rose petal drop's I fall for you.


many people will walk in and out of your life, but it's true friends that will leave the foot prints behind....
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Postby true_noir_chloe » Wed Jan 21, 2004 3:22 pm

Hi Yuna! ^_^ I see you're new. I think you might be able to find advice strewn throughout this writing section. This really isn't the place to give advice now, since this is Kesshin's story thread. That's just etiquette here. So, please look around or pm me and we'll talk about that. For now, this is Kesshin's story thread and it's really only for her story and others comments on her story. Thanks.

[size=84][color=seagreen]YOU SEE


You see into the deepest part of me ---

beyond the fog I hide behind.

You cast your light upon the shadows

that stretch like cobwebs in my mind.

You ease the pain when I am hurting,

and morbid visions from my past

pierce into the realm of Reason

as though I danced on blades of glass.

You grant me strength when I have fallen

and, once again, I've lost my way.

You take my hand in Yours and lead me

into the promise of a brand new day.

You bring order to all my chaos,

yet set my well-laid plans awry.

You place me on a firm foundation ---

then give me wings so I can fly.

You sand away my roughened edges

and polish all the dullest parts

until I stand before Your presence...

a newly-sculpted work of art.

You see into the heart within me,

right through my motives and selfish will.

And yet, in spite of all You see

You say You love me even still.


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Postby Lochaber Axe » Wed Jan 21, 2004 4:20 pm

I was going to compliment you on your newest installment... I read it shortly after you put it up, but I just plain forgot. You know my usual response so that isn't as important. Now for my official critique... I got none right now... been to long since I read it to make any comments. Maybe later I will make my routine critiquing.

Note: I made myself another avatar... Same character... pose that reminds me how I feel right now. Its a little bigger but it felt wierd when I resized it from the size now...
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Postby Kesshin » Wed Jan 21, 2004 4:21 pm

Edit: I just read your post, Lochaber. I like the avatar. ^^ I am awaiting your critique. :)
Sorry this took a while to post, guys. I've been busy, busy, busy.
This story is copyrighted by Kesshin, 2004.

"Are you done yet?" Kern shouted, resisting the urge to look over his shoulder.
"Yes! Just a sec."
Pen had ripped off a long piece of her pant leg to bind Joyce's wound. Now one leg was longer than the other, not exactly in the best of fashion, but at least Joyce wouldn't get gangrene. On top of that, with the bandage covering it, the bleeding wound was no longer visible.
"Right," Pen whispered, "that should keep him from seeing the blood until we get out of the desert."
Joyce bobbed her head up and down in agreement. Pen realized that Kern would probably insist she see a doctor, but they'd cross that bridge when they came to it. Pen brushed her hair out of her face. It was getting to be a real nuisance. With little effort, she ripped a piece off of her other fraying pant leg and tied her hair up in a pony tail.
"There," she smiled down at Joyce, "Now they're even."
They laughed quietly the sight of Pen's mutilated garments. The seriousness of the situation however, came back to them when Joyce tried to stand, and was unable to. She tried getting to her feet, succeeded for a moment or two, then fell back to the ground with a thud.

Sorry it's so short. I'll write more later. ^^
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Postby true_noir_chloe » Wed Jan 21, 2004 7:41 pm

I kept wondering who Joyce was. LOL I had forgotten the earlier installment. Duh! Nice work. I'll wait for the next installment. ^_^

[size=84][color=seagreen]YOU SEE


You see into the deepest part of me ---

beyond the fog I hide behind.

You cast your light upon the shadows

that stretch like cobwebs in my mind.

You ease the pain when I am hurting,

and morbid visions from my past

pierce into the realm of Reason

as though I danced on blades of glass.

You grant me strength when I have fallen

and, once again, I've lost my way.

You take my hand in Yours and lead me

into the promise of a brand new day.

You bring order to all my chaos,

yet set my well-laid plans awry.

You place me on a firm foundation ---

then give me wings so I can fly.

You sand away my roughened edges

and polish all the dullest parts

until I stand before Your presence...

a newly-sculpted work of art.

You see into the heart within me,

right through my motives and selfish will.

And yet, in spite of all You see

You say You love me even still.


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Postby Kesshin » Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:07 pm

Yeah, I kind of keep switching back and forth between the name Ralda and Joyce. I just can't decide which one I should stick with. Joyce is her real name, but I've gotten used to Ralda. Well, anyway, here's the next installment.
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Joyce's face contorted with worry.
"Kern is going to want to carry me. What now?" she asked.
Pen felt a twinge of the old jealousy rise up in her chest.
'No!' she told herself, 'I don't ever want to feel that way again!'
"Uh," she thought about it for a moment, "Well, I could carry you."
Joyce raised an eyebrow at this.
"Are you sure you can do that?" she inquired slowly, as if Pen had a hearing problem.
"Of course I'm sure! Didn't you see me fight that hunter? I'm not a push-over."
Joyce looked at Pen's gangly figure. She obviously wasn't convinced.
Pen scowled.
"Oh, fine. I'll show you."
With a grunt, Pen bent down and picked her up. Veins popped out at her neck. Joyce was heavier than she looked. Pen staggered under her weight.
"Can't you make yourself smaller, or something?" she complained through gritted teeth.
"Pen, I am an Aldorian, not a magician."

Sorry these segments are so short lately. I'll try to post a bigger one later.
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Postby Icarus » Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:42 pm

No problem.
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Postby true_noir_chloe » Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:26 pm

I kind of appreciate short installments sometimes.:) It's not that I don't want to read your stuff, it's just that it seems my whole day is reading something. BTW, I thought the end sentence was funny. :lol: :thumb: I'll see you next time.

[size=84][color=seagreen]YOU SEE


You see into the deepest part of me ---

beyond the fog I hide behind.

You cast your light upon the shadows

that stretch like cobwebs in my mind.

You ease the pain when I am hurting,

and morbid visions from my past

pierce into the realm of Reason

as though I danced on blades of glass.

You grant me strength when I have fallen

and, once again, I've lost my way.

You take my hand in Yours and lead me

into the promise of a brand new day.

You bring order to all my chaos,

yet set my well-laid plans awry.

You place me on a firm foundation ---

then give me wings so I can fly.

You sand away my roughened edges

and polish all the dullest parts

until I stand before Your presence...

a newly-sculpted work of art.

You see into the heart within me,

right through my motives and selfish will.

And yet, in spite of all You see

You say You love me even still.


~by D.M.~

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Postby Kesshin » Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:30 pm

Glad you enjoyed the humor, Chloe. ^^
I post to amuse you guys. ;)
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Kern was beginning to become impatient. He fiddled with his oxygen tank. Judging by the gauge there was still enough hyper-compressed air for a couple of days. He hoped he wouldn't need it. He tried to distract himself from the overwhelming boredom by planning their next course of action. The desert's edge was near. Soon they would be in the Dark Side again, and in the center of the Dark Side lay the Henson power plant. They were so close, he could feel the anticipation of reaching their goal building. But before they could set foot in the factory, they would need water. His lips were parched, and the inside of his mouth felt like sandpaper. 'Yes,' he said to himself, 'we'll definitely need water soon.'
He grumbled in frustration.
"Come on, guys! Hurry it up!"
"Already done."
Kern jumped up in surprise. Pen stood behind him, bearing Ralda in her arms.
"We're ready," Pen announced, her face red from effort.
"Pen, why are you carrying Ralda? She's far too large," Kern looked to Ralda, "Ahem. No offense. Anyway, you'll put your back out. Let me do it."
Pen edged away.
"No."
Kern slapped his forehead.
"Honestly, Pen!! What is WITH you today?! Fine, you know what, you do it. See if I care!"
He stomped off ahead of them, grumbling in aggravation. Joyce watched him, biting her lip.
"Do you think we are being a bit unfair to Kern? What WOULD he do if he knew I was an alien?"
Pen didn't reply. Silently she began following him. For several miles she was quiet. She knew exactly what Kern would do if he knew who Joyce was. And she didn't even want to think about it.
"Consider the lilies of the field. They neither sew nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed as one of these. If God so clothes the grass, which is in the field one day and cast into the oven the next, how much more will he clothe you, o ye of little faith?
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Postby Lochaber Axe » Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:18 pm

Sorry about not posting my critiques earlier... hope this works.

Well... you asked for this. I decided it was time to actually critique like a true editor. My suggestions will be in [] or brackets if you didn't know.

Installment....um, I've lost count. [XVII]
Pen stared at the green blood. Her already frazzled nerves felt like they couldn’t take anymore. She had watched Laowra and Sheila become terribly injured, taken on hunters in hand to hand [I believed this is hyphenated] combat, raced across a blazing desert without water; okay [wouldn't use it... too casual]. But [Never start with and, but, or... you get the idea.] finding out one of her teammates was an alien was a bit much. Ralda looked away from her in shame.
"I was going to tell you eventually."
"So, you’re a Loam?" Pen asked. (Though at this point she didn’t really care.) [Use parenthesis only IN a sentence to show an abrupt change in thought. Never use to make a sentence.]
"No. I am an Aldorian. A shape-shifter. My real name is Joyce Henson." [This is what I like to call whiplash writing... merge this into one or two sentences]
Gradually[ , ] her face changed. Her nose became sharper, and her cheekbones less distinct. Even her eyes changed. They were no longer green, but blue.
Pen pulled at her hair in annoyance.
"This is the limit. The absolute limit.[fragment] Not only am I stuck in the middle of a desert with a wounded alien," she leaned in and yelled in Joyce’s face, "but she turns out to be a liar who led me on a wild goose chase! You were the one who killed my family! You lied about the whole thing, Mantle, the arson, everything; betraying our trust, using me and everyone else as your shields!" [smells of run-on to me]
Joyce seemed to shrink. Whether it was out of sheer shame or her shape-changing abilities, Pen did not know, nor did she care. She wasn’t about to feel sorry for her.
"I apologize for having to deceive you," Joyce whimpered pathetically, "but please don’t raise your voice. Kern might hear you."
"So what?! You lied to him, too. He needs to know."
"No, don’t, I beg you! I only lied about being human, nothing more. Mantle did order the arson and murders. He is the killer, not me."
Pen glared and turned her back to her.
Joyce let her head fall back onto the sand.
"I... is there any way I can prove I am not lying?"
"Not that I can think of."
Joyce stared at Pen’s back. She sighed, looking [ tense change... looked] up at the unforgiving desert sky.
"I give in. I can never convince you. Just please do me one favor.[ "] [Whiplash...]
"What would that be?"
"Don’t tell Kern."
Pen turned around. Would a cold-blooded killer care whether or not some boy knew they were an alien? [If this is a thought... separate it somehow... I prefer italics myself]
"Joyce, don’t you hate humans?" Pen asked.
"No. Why would I? I am not Loam. And even if I were, I was raised around humans. In fact, my mother was one. I am only half Aldorian." [Whiplash]
Pen looked at her. Though Joyce’s eyes were blue, they still retained their sharpness. She was still the same person. But could Pen trust her?
"All right, Joyce. Prove you're part human."
Joyce frowned, puzzled.
"Um, that's not a very easy thing to do, you know."
"Try."
"You'll just have to trust me."
Pen bit her lip, indecisive. [indecisively]
Joyce looked her straight in the eye.
"Please?"
"All right, I believe you."
Joyce smiled, relieved.
"But how are you going to keep Kern from noticing I’m bleeding green?" Joyce asked.
"I don’t know."
"Well, think of something!"

Kern sat in the warm sand, but it couldn’t heat his frozen emotions. He had seen so many horrific things, so many people he cared about fall dead at his feet. Ralda was just another in a long line of murdered loved ones. His callous heart was slashed open, old wounds bled once again. It felt like the time Tia Sheila had taught him how to use a 12 gauge shotgun at the firing range. When he had first fired it, the recoil had smacked the gun into his chest, knocking him [tense change] from his feet.
"The secret, Kern," his aunt had explained, offering [tense change] him a hand up, "is to try again and again. Soon you’ll be strong enough to handle it."
It had occurred to Kern that life was like that. Things will hit [tense change] you in the heart, but you have to keep trying. And he had tried. But right now he had never felt weaker. [I have already covered this...]
He wanted to sit there until the end of time, anything but return to the horrible reality of Ralda’s death. But [-_-] that was just not an option. Gradually Kern pulled out of his daze. He blinked. ‘What do I do now?’ he wondered to himself. His thoughts moved to Pen. At least she was alive. That was something. Though it pained him to even budge, he stood, wiping the sand from his legs, and turned towards Pen. His jaw dropped. Ralda was sitting up, talking. [Major Whiplash]
"It’s a miracle!! Ralda!" he ran towards her, feet kicking [tense change] up sand, "YOU’RE NOT DEAD!!!" [for formal writing, don't do in all caps... also don't use more than one punctuation mark]
He was just about to reach her, but Pen stood in his way.
"Pen," he panted, a puzzled look on his face, "What is it? Why...." he lunged to the left. She followed. He lunged to the right. Still she stood in his way, like a reflection in a mirror. [Here is a rule: a majority of your sentences must be more than five words.]
"Kern, I’m sorry, but I can’t let you see her," she announced, holding [tense change] her hands out in front of her.
"And why the heck not?!" he yelled. [ ?! does not add anything to your story... ever]
"She’s been badly injured." [get rid of "been"... it adds too little to the story for comfort]
"Well, obviously. But my tia’s a registered nurse. She taught how to deal with injuries. I’d better check her wound." He moved closer to her. [see below]
"No, you really... I mean, it’s... pretty bloody."
Kern glared at her.
"Pen, I’m not some kid. I’ve seen bloody. But right now I want to see Ralda!" [again]
Pen frantically searched her mind for another explanation.
"Wait! You really don’t want to look at her. The wound is in a place you really shouldn’t be looking at."
Kern’s eyes widened in embarrassment.
"I mean," Pen continued, "it’d be even better if you just stayed away altogether."
Kern turned the color of canned beets.
"Oh, gosh. S-sorry. I.... I’ll stay over here." He turned to leave. "Tell her I’m glad she’s all right, okay?"
"Sure."
Kern walked back to his spot with a giant grin on his face. ‘She’s alive!’ he said to himself. And even though he couldn’t see her for now, it was the best news he’d had in a long time.

Final opinion: You started with conjunctions too many times and you also created too many excess sentences. Becareful of tense changes (this is sometimes a problem for me), if you start with past... stick with past.

Bah! Why did I edit this on Wordpad? It always messes up the sizing from it to here. Next time... I'll just pm you my edits.
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Postby Icarus » Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:20 am

For once, I have something to say in response to Loch. I agree with what he says, except for a small part of the "whiplash" ( I don't have a name for it myself) and sentence fragments. I personally don't see anything wrong with using them DURING DIALOGUE. The caps are just so no one will say I'm out to subvert the rules of grammar. People don't speak grammatically. If they want to end a sentence with a preposition, or start one with a conjunction, they do, and almost nobody comments. When writing anything else you should avoid them; but, as I said, in speech I let it slide.
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Postby Kesshin » Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:16 pm

Thanks, as always, for the advice, Lochaber. ^^
I must agree with Icarus, though. When people are speaking in a story, you are allowed to use "poetic license". People don't always speak with perfect grammar. Other than that, I agree with everything you said. Later I'll go edit.
Again, thanks. ^^
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Postby Lochaber Axe » Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:23 pm

To me, that would only work for when a character was hyper or something like that. I know people don't use grammatical phrasing but most of the time there are pauses when they speak and they usually finish their current chain of thought. Writing "whiplash" means that characters go from one chain of thought to another without pause. People only do that when they are hyper.
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Postby Kesshin » Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:30 pm

Hmm... Well, okay. However, I'm pretty sure that there are some cases in the above portion of story where the person speaking was pretty upset (Take Pen yelling at Ralda, for example.). That could account for some of the fragmented sentences.
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Postby true_noir_chloe » Sat Jan 24, 2004 11:12 pm

>>[Use parenthesis only IN a sentence to show an abrupt change in thought. Never use to make a sentence.]

Sorry to disagree Loch, but according to "The Elements of Grammar," by Margaret Shertzer, it is allowed. However, in this section I would not have used it, Kesshin.

And, regarding the "whiplash" effect I would agree with Icarus. Kesshin, when you write please feel free to use elipsis for continued thought. It would be like this:

I'm an Aldorian... my real name is..." breathing out... "Joyce Henson."

You do not have to write it the way I just did, I was just throwing something out there. I think why this bothered Loch is that you know how it was supposed to come across, it's just that you didn't write it the way you wanted us to read it. Also, the triple dash effect, ex. --- in between dialogue --- can give you the same pausal effect or stressed voice. There are many ways. Again, I suggest reading "Dialogue," by Lewis Turco. He covers all this in how to make dialogue effective.

All editors are different. What I believe you need to work on right now, Kesshin, is writing the bare bones of your story. Then, read it out loud. Act it out. Listen to the voices. Each person you are writing about has a certain voice so that after you've read for awhile you'll know who is speaking. Get to know your characters. Research your environment. There is a lot to writing a novel, not just punctuation. Wait on the grammatical editing until you've cleaned your idea closet out. Kay? ^_^

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You ease the pain when I am hurting,

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Postby Kesshin » Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:38 am

'K, Chloe. ^_^
I'll keep working on my story, (it benefits from you guys' advice, so keep it coming) and I'll post my next installment tomorrow.
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Postby Lochaber Axe » Sun Jan 25, 2004 12:12 pm

I guess I was a little presumptious to make that broad edit but you know what I see as an editor. Chloe, there are alot of rules in writing that are completely exceptable but to me they are iffy. I just can't think of using a parathesis for a separate sentence, but that is my opinion nothing more. I know that I have little knowledge of editing but I do have my gut feeling. Kesshin, most of my edits (besides misspellings and tense changes... see this is what I find exceptable to me) will be gut feeling. Beyond the basic editing, you can choose to follow my help or not... your decision. Chloe has more experience than me so you should listen more to her.

When I become a trained editor however... :evil: ... writers have better listen to me or I am going to throw their book right back into their faces and kick them in the rump out of my office. :comp: :grin: That is why I am either going freelance or work for a small publishing company so that I can do stuff like that. If I behaved like that in a big Publishing House... of course, it might be the other way around. Who knows?

What was I going to say before that whole kicking out of my office thing came up? OH YEAH! I was thinking along the lines of ellipsis myself. I used them frequently in anything I write. It might be used to much though. I'll just get me an editor then, and that is one reason where anyone can get a job if they are good at editing: Everyone needs an editor, even editors! :lol:
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Postby Mimichan » Mon Jan 26, 2004 5:22 am

*walks onto the thread* Hi ^_^....I am really sorry I haven't paid more attention to your story. But I have finally gotten through all 12 pages (in one sitting)...and am here simply to say "HUZZAH!" I did tell you I wasn't good at critiquing(sp?) didn't I? ^_~ Of course, you have Loch and Chloe for that--both of which are excellent writers and have a much better grasp of the art than I do (esp. where grammar is concerned, which is NOT one of my strong points) But still...if it means anything, I just wanted to let you know I am reading your story and that I really like it. ^_^
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Postby Kesshin » Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:03 pm

Lochaber: I have no doubt that you will make an excellent editor someday. ^^ You're already pretty darn good at it (If you'll notice, I made most of the edits you requested). And I can just see you kicking writer-butt when they don't follow your suggestions. ;)
And Iesu, thanks. ^^
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