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Ok so this is about a manga where ppl fight wearing roller blade-like gear called Air Trecks (AT). In the world of AT, 'stormriders' form groups, fight for territory and for power.

I don't know how I got suckered into this because there is a good amount of fanservice and swearing (you have been warned). It must be the nice art and how some female characters do a good job fighting and winning (if you ignore the fanservice part).

Anyway, I've already read up to chapter 146 so this thread is meant for most recent chapters discussion. I don't expect others to respond to this...except for UC. Moving forward......

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Now that Ikki and Ringo have fought, does that mean he doesn't have to fight SF anymore? I thought that the Sleeping Forest was the ultimate obstacle and Ikki technically defeated Ringo (kind of...). Well, they both didn't lose their emblems since they reached the goal together. Is he planning to have another showdown with Ringo in the future?

I am officially confused as to who the players are in this battle. There are the Kings, Sleeping Forest, Ikki's group (can't spell the name) + Genesis, and other bunches of Stormrider groups (ranging from E-A levels). Are there any other groups that I missed out? Some ppl seem to be individuals like Simca before Genesis....but like I said, I'm quite confused as to who's affliliated to whom.

What is your view on Agito/Akito's brother? I can't decide whether to like him or not. Once moment, he seems like a caring brother, the next moment he's blowing holes in his brother. Is this because he cares for Akito but hates Agito?

Maybe I missed this but how did Agito get into Akito?

So many questions....la la la.

I'll move straight into spoilers. If anyone misses all the notes regarding what part we're discussing, they have brought it upon themselves.

Mave wrote:Now that Ikki and Ringo have fought, does that mean he doesn't have to fight SF anymore? I thought that the Sleeping Forest was the ultimate obstacle and Ikki technically defeated Ringo (kind of...). Well, they both didn't lose their emblems since they reached the goal together. Is he planning to have another showdown with Ringo in the future?

My thought was that since he pretended it was a tie (though it's probably fair, given that she'd have won if she just left him behind instead of messing around) neither team is forced to disband. That would imply there will be future conflict, particularly given the issue of the oath type thing (involving the cross emblem in various peoples' eyes). I also expect Kilik to play a bigger role in aggravating the conflict.

Mave wrote:I am officially confused as to who the players are in this battle.

Basically, it is just Ikki's team versus Sleeping Forest. I don't know if there are any unaffiliated Kings, but almost all of them are in one of those two teams. The enforcement people (ie Akito's brother) might also be serious players. Other than that, all the other teams are just bit characters and are unlikely to come in much.

With the exception of members of Tool Toul To (the tuner/mechanic people) essentially all the important characters are in one of the two big teams.

Mave wrote:What is your view on Agito/Akito's brother? I can't decide whether to like him or not. Once moment, he seems like a caring brother, the next moment he's blowing holes in his brother. Is this because he cares for Akito but hates Agito?

Right now I believe it is all an act (as per what he said after allowing Akito to leave following the truck scene). You could argue that he was using this excuse to hide his real compassion for his brother.

Mave wrote:Maybe I missed this but how did Agito get into Akito?

When his brother forced him to fight so many AT teams, Akito created an alter ego Agito to be the "evil side" and shield him from all the violence. This gets explained during the arc where Ikki's team fights Behemoth.

uc pseudonym wrote:My thought was that since he pretended it was a tie (though it's probably fair, given that she'd have won if she just left him behind instead of messing around)

Didn't she mess around for a good reason? I thought she was protecting him from this god of death thingy <--- oh yes, another thing I don't understand. If she didn't mess around, what would have happened to Ikki?

Basically, it is just Ikki's team versus Sleeping Forest. I don't know if there are any unaffiliated Kings, but almost all of them are in one of those two teams. The enforcement people (ie Akito's brother) might also be serious players.

With the exception of members of Tool Toul To (the tuner/mechanic people) essentially all the important characters are in one of the two big teams.

So technically, there are kings spread out across both teams, you mean. OK, got it.

Right now I believe it is all an act (as per what he said after allowing Akito to leave following the truck scene). You could argue that he was using this excuse to hide his real compassion for his brother.

This dude is so unpredictable, I want to nominate him for the "PMS Mood Swing" award. He's just as bad as his little kid brother. I wonder why doesn't he have the same power as Akito.

When his brother forced him to fight so many AT teams, Akito created an alter ego Agito to be the "evil side" and shield him from all the violence. This gets explained during the arc where Ikki's team fights Behemoth.

I almost consider Ringo's Crazy Apple as an alter-ego.

- What is the most bizarre character in AT for you so far? I want to award that to the character who has the metal body, generates ghostly illusions and has little kids running around him. Hehehehe...... well, ok that other insect/bug-looking dude was also weird.

- To you, is the actual goal/target clear of what our 'heroes' are seeking clear? To me, all it seems like is having the right to stand on top of that tower and say, Hooyeah!

"The End. Thank you for reading AirGear."


OT: I had a closer look at Tenjo Tenge yesterday. TT has so much more fanservice than AG.........

Mave wrote:Didn't she mess around for a good reason? I thought she was protecting him from this god of death thingy <--- oh yes, another thing I don't understand. If she didn't mess around, what would have happened to Ikki?

Uncertain. My impression, however, is that it was meant more generally. She felt that unless she made Ikki give up his dream, it would eventually bring him into contact with aforementioned god of death.

Mave wrote:So technically, there are kings spread out across both teams, you mean. OK, got it.

If you want it laid out in immense detail: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kings_and_Roads_%28Air_Gear%29

Mave wrote:- What is the most bizarre character in AT for you so far? I want to award that to the character who has the metal body, generates ghostly illusions and has little kids running around him. Hehehehe...... well, ok that other insect/bug-looking dude was also weird.

Nue (the little kid guy) probably wins that, yeah. But characters that are simply weird don't interest me all that much. Do you have any favorites so far?

Mave wrote:- To you, is the actual goal/target clear of what our 'heroes' are seeking clear? To me, all it seems like is having the right to stand on top of that tower and say, Hooyeah!

Unless a greater plot is revealed, it strikes me as the generic shonen motivation: they want to be the best at whatever the manga is about. I have no idea how it will end, because the mangaka has never actually finished a significant manga of this sort.

Mave wrote:OT: I had a closer look at Tenjo Tenge yesterday. TT has so much more fanservice than AG.........

Does it? TT's is much more graphic than AG, but the latter has always struck me as having pretty consistent fanservice. As interesting as Crazy Apple was, I couldn't take her that seriously because she felt like one giant excuse for fanservice.

uc pseudonym wrote:Uncertain. My impression, however, is that it was meant more generally. She felt that unless she made Ikki give up his dream, it would eventually bring him into contact with aforementioned god of death.

I still don't understand why Ikki will encounter the god of death with the power he's sorting for. Maybe he's not ready for it?

If you want it laid out in immense detail: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kings_and_Roads_%28Air_Gear%29

Thanks. Holy moly, I think I've lost track of these kings and who's who. They're rather fragmented to me throughout the story. I barely have any memories of the Gem and Rumble King.

Nue (the little kid guy) probably wins that, yeah. But characters that are simply weird don't interest me all that much. Do you have any favorites so far?

Favourites? It's kinda hard to pick but if I had to, I guess the male character would be Fang King, just because the two personalities are so different (amusingly sometimes) and he/they fights pretty well, if I remember correctly. I rarely like the multiple personality disorder idea in manga but this works. As for the female character, I think BenKei is my fav. at this point although she didn't have to fight in those strange cowboy-like pants, which covers up everything except for the most important parts (sigh). That outfit reminded me of Christina Agilera's 'Dirty' MTV, which is not a good thing. But fighting-skill and personality-wise, she's quite a good supporting character.

Unless a greater plot is revealed, it strikes me as the generic shonen motivation: they want to be the best at whatever the manga is about. I have no idea how it will end, because the mangaka has never actually finished a significant manga of this sort.

Ah? You mean he has never completed a manga series yet? I thought Tenjo Tenge (which I assume he started first before AG) would be over by now...

Does it? TT's is much more graphic than AG, but the latter has always struck me as having pretty consistent fanservice. As interesting as Crazy Apple was, I couldn't take her that seriously because she felt like one giant excuse for fanservice.

I found the graphicness of TT more offensive than AG. Some scenes in TT qualify as soft porn. I would have liked characters such as Ringo, Rika and Benkei better if they weren't used for fanservice so much.

Now, I can't bring myself to like Simca, Inu and that chick from Behemoth's group at all. That's my limit for over-sexualizing.

Mave wrote:I still don't understand why Ikki will encounter the god of death with the power he's sorting for. Maybe he's not ready for it?

To be honest, I barely remember this part. What did she say, specifically? I probably shouldn't talk further before I'm sure on particulars.

Mave wrote:I barely have any memories of the Gem and Rumble King.

That's not bad, really, because neither has done much.

Mave wrote:Favourites? It's kinda hard to pick but if I had to, I guess the male character would be Fang King, just because the two personalities are so different (amusingly sometimes) and he/they fights pretty well, if I remember correctly.

Myself, I like Kazu for some reason. He just seems better than Ikki to me overall.

I'd like to say Sano, but sadly the mangaka decided to turn him into a flaming homosexual. If you remove the "comedy" scenes with him, though, he seems an ordinary human being and very competent ATer, like he did as a member of Behemoth. Plus, the only time we've seen him serious in a fight he smashed a motorcycle over someone's head. How cool is that?

Mave wrote:As for the female character, I think BenKei is my fav. at this point although she didn't have to fight in those strange cowboy-like pants, which covers up everything except for the most important parts (sigh). That outfit reminded me of Christina Agilera's 'Dirty' MTV, which is not a good thing. But fighting-skill and personality-wise, she's quite a good supporting character.

I arbitrarily like Mikan, though she hasn't really done much of anything yet. She is relatively low on the fanservice scale, though.

Mave wrote:Ah? You mean he has never completed a manga series yet? I thought Tenjo Tenge (which I assume he started first before AG) would be over by now...

They're running concurrently, which is why both release so slowly.

So... recent chapters indicate we'll be going into a flashback for a good bit. Tenjou Tenge did the same thing (twice) and both times were very long and poorly handled. Hopefully this one will be more meaningful and more concise.

Actually, I'm expecting this arc to explain some things that have been in need of an explanation for some time.

Ack, I barely found the time to catch up on this. It's good to see all of Sleeping Hollow in one spot in the recent chapters.

uc pseudonym wrote:To be honest, I barely remember this part. What did she say, specifically? I probably shouldn't talk further before I'm sure on particulars.

Actually, I've decided not to follow up on this. It's Ok. There are so many questions floating around in AirGear and Tenjo Tenge, that I think maybe it's wiser not to bother.

Myself, I like Kazu for some reason. He just seems better than Ikki to me overall.

That happens a lot, doesn't it? We end up preferring any other character over the main protagonist. But yeah, I never liked Ikki and don't understand why Ringo likes him.

I'd like to say Sano, but sadly the mangaka decided to turn him into a flaming homosexual. If you remove the "comedy" scenes with him, though, he seems an ordinary human being and very competent ATer, like he did as a member of Behemoth. Plus, the only time we've seen him serious in a fight he smashed a motorcycle over someone's head. How cool is that?

I agree, he can be quite a cool character. I didn't quite expect him to fling motorcycles around haha. XD

Well, we finally get to know more about Kilik, Simca and the ex- Wind King but I don't like how he chose to put the flashback right in the middle of Aya's fight with that eh...swords guy and worm gal (I don't remember their names).

Mave wrote:Actually, I've decided not to follow up on this. It's Ok. There are so many questions floating around in AirGear and Tenjo Tenge, that I think maybe it's wiser not to bother.

Yeah. I can never bring myself to care all that strongly about it, so I don't theorize too much on the plot. With TT I've probably forgotten details, but it isn't worth the effort in most cases.

Mave wrote:But yeah, I never liked Ikki and don't understand why Ringo likes him.

I'm going to go with "because he's the protagonist."

Mave wrote:but I don't like how he chose to put the flashback right in the middle of Aya's fight with that eh...swords guy and worm gal (I don't remember their names).

Switching manga, are we? No problem, it just took me off guard in mid-sentence. I don't like this development either. TT does not need more flashbacks. The one in Air Gear I can accept. It might finally explain some things.

Bringing this back because I have something to say. You can read it whenever you have time to catch up (they're certainly releasing chapters quickly, aren't they?).

But seriously, I've had more than enough of dramatic reversals at this point. Whatever happened to characters fighting one another on about even ground and putting their skills on the table? When the course of the fight swings dramatically every time I begin to care less.

Or, to put it less specifically but more amusingly...
Sora: Ha, I kill you!
Kazu: !!!
Spitfire: Ha, we're actually over here! We hit you lots!
Kazu: !!!
Sora: Ha, I'm completely unharmed!
Kazu: !!!
Spitfire: Ha, we caused internal damage! You're almost dead!
Kazu: !!!
Sora: Ha, we're actually robots!
Kazu: I killed all of you five minutes ago and I'm at home playing solitaire, but I'm so fast you're still seeing my afterimage!
All: !!!

Well, a lot of these last couple volumes have been pretty dramatic reversals really. Were there ever any hints earlier that Sora was an evil, manipulating jerk, and not the friendly, helpful guy in the wheelchair he always appeared to be?

And there is the fact that no one so far outside of Ikki and Kazu has expressed any sort of surprise at all about this. It's like a bunch of people besides Kilik either knew or suspected.

Although, I'm not sure I particularly like Kilik. He seemed somewhat decent in the flashbacks but currently he seems pretty arrogant.

uc pseudonym wrote:I'm going to go with "because he's the protagonist."

I'll just say that there are rare cases where I'm terribly fond of the protagonist. Yuusuke of Yu Yu Hakusho is one of the best examples, rivaling my fangirling over Hiei.

Switching manga, are we? No problem, it just took me off guard in mid-sentence. I don't like this development either. TT does not need more flashbacks. The one in Air Gear I can accept. It might finally explain some things.

Have I said Oops? XD

Luckily, the Airgear flashback wasn't too long and it helped to explained the background of The Sleeping Forest (oh wow, a meaningful flashback by Oh Great! XD). As much as Kilik seems arrogant and overbearing right now, the flashback helped to give us a better picture of each character and why they became the way they did.

Ok, Sora's character change was too drastic for me. MasterDias, as far as I can remember, there was NO indication of his real character before. In the flashback, I don't understand what all the other characters saw in him enough to make them turn to him against Kilik. Is Sora that charismatic?

UC, your summary of the current fight is right-on and hilarious! Yeah, the fight has such sudden shifts, it's hard to take any attack seriously anymore. Even more so, now that I know what happens in the end [spoiled myself with wikipedia fufufu] so I'm more than willing to skip the fight.

It's too bad because there was barely any character development in Spitfire and Aeon Clock was getting cooler and more likeable by the chapter.

MasterDias wrote:Well, a lot of these last couple volumes have been pretty dramatic reversals really. Were there ever any hints earlier that Sora was an evil, manipulating jerk, and not the friendly, helpful guy in the wheelchair he always appeared to be?

If this had been better foreshadowed, I'd have liked the plot twist. That double-page panel where he stands worked well for me. But I was actually referring to reversals in the fight: it rubs me the wrong way when one side is dominating and then the next moment things are revealed to be the exact opposite.

Mave wrote:Even more so, now that I know what happens in the end [spoiled myself with wikipedia fufufu] so I'm more than willing to skip the fight.

Heh. So far I've been resisting the urge to look at Wikipedia, though I do know a number of things about the results.

Mave wrote:Ok, Sora's character change was too drastic for me. MasterDias, as far as I can remember, there was NO indication of his real character before. In the flashback, I don't understand what all the other characters saw in him enough to make them turn to him against Kilik. Is Sora that charismatic?

Yeah, I would have bought this better even if it was just someone giving a small verbal warning to Ikki like "Don't get too close to Sora. He is not all he appears to be." etc.
From what I gathered from the flashback, Sora was generally more well liked and Kilik held some unpopular viewpoints. Why he didn't show them the police report is beyond me however. I don't know. It wasn't very clear to me either.

I'm guessing Rika either somehow really doesn't know or her affection for Sora is blinding her.

Mave wrote:- To you, is the actual goal/target clear of what our 'heroes' are seeking clear? To me, all it seems like is having the right to stand on top of that tower and say, Hooyeah!

"The End. Thank you for reading AirGear."

Oh wow. You have no idea how hard that made me laugh. XD I've seen the anime and spoiled myself on wikipedia so I know what is going on. That like practically summarizes the whole story. XD Maybe if you get to the top of the tower though and finish saying "Hooyeah!" a magical prize drops from the sky that is the world's best gear ever!!!!!11111oneoneone

I'm generally not too pleased with what happened to Spitfire and Aeon Clock since I thought both of them were among the few interesting and likeable characters in AG. Sigh....

I'm still curious enough to know what Kazu does eventually, even if he's fleeing to save his skin now. I can't help wondering why Akira's hair looks exceptionally curly all the sudden.....

MyrrhLynn: XDDDD

What I do like are the most recent chapters, which can basically be summarized as "Ikki doesn't matter." As of Chapter 166 he retires from Air Gears and becomes a gourmet chef, leading the manga to abruptly become a comedy.

Mave wrote:I'm generally not too pleased with what happened to Spitfire and Aeon Clock since I thought both of them were among the few interesting and likeable characters in AG. Sigh....

Yeah that ticked me off too. Spitfire was my favorite character and Aeon Clock was close behind. They didn't feel like cookie cutter sterotypes like some of the other chracters in this series. But that's how it always goes for me. My favorite male characters either die or never get the girl. :\


UC: .... XD XD

For those who haven't been with the thread from the beginning, I'm sad to see Spitfire and Sano go too. Aeon Clock was pretty cool and Spitfire was impressive in his only fight. My hope is that Kazu will eventually become as cool as them, which would be a small consolation.

More seriously, I'm curious about how this will go in the future. Kilik hasn't struck me as a good guy at all, but Sora obviously seems to be set up as the villain (though I'm not convinced he isn't just being cruel to Ikki to motivate him). Perhaps the main characters will end up against everyone.

MyrrhLynn wrote:My favorite male characters either die or never get the girl. :\

Did someone say fanfiction?

I've been having trouble following the sequence of progression in the last handful of chapters. When did Akira get beat up? I missed that.
Maybe I need to read these chapters over again...

Perhaps the main characters will end up against everyone.

Yeah, I'm still convinced Kogarasumaru will go up against Sleeping Forest at some point.

What I do like are the most recent chapters, which can basically be summarized as "Ikki doesn't matter."

I know what you mean but what worries me is the future chapters become "Ikki matters ahecka LOT more now that the cool characters who would have been on his side are now dead. Looks like it's up to Ikki to save the day, folks! Whee!"

*groans*

As of Chapter 166 he retires from Air Gears and becomes a gourmet chef, leading the manga to abruptly become a comedy.

Why do I suddenly think of Yakitate Japan? XDDDD

My favorite male characters either die or never get the girl. :\

Did someone say fanfiction?

I support fanfiction featuring Spitfire and AeonClock appearing towards the end where Ikki is getting his behind kicked by [insert identified and confirmed bad guy] and winning along side a more matured/skilled Kazu. All of them decide that the thrill of reaching the top of the tower and going HooYeah is overrated and really isn't that important in life. So, they destroy the tower and all the regalias or better still, disenable those gadgets and sell them off ebay as funky high end rollerblades at a pretty little price.

After that, they retire from their AirGear life and become gourmet cooks with Ikki specifically focusing on cooking meat and Kazu becoming a little less skinny by eating more protein. Best of all, the climatic experience of destroying the tower was so profound and thought-provoking that Aeon Clock gives up being gay (take that, canon yaoi!), Simca and other gals wear more clothes (take that, fanservice!), Kilik returns to his jolly old self when he was younger (take that, angst!), Agito miraculously stops swearing (take that, bad language!) and Kaito stops abusing his brother (take that, violence and abuse!). Instead, they all learn to appreciate the joys of eating gourmet food.

My hope is that Kazu will eventually become as cool as them, which would be a small consolation.

Oh pls, I sure hope so too.

Kilik hasn't struck me as a good guy at all, but Sora obviously seems to be set up as the villain (though I'm not convinced he isn't just being cruel to Ikki to motivate him). Perhaps the main characters will end up against everyone.

I think Kilik is a decent guy whose good intentions get a little skewered due to his inability to deal with betrayal and disappointment of his fellow airgear experts. I guess everyone will eventually fight each other since to me, the good/bad guy isn't exactly clear at this point.

Well, ok Sora and brother do a great job looking so evil it's almost amusing, deceiving their buddies and killing their old friends off so far but I'll wait to see what the others do first....

When did Akira get beat up? I missed that.
Maybe I need to read these chapters over again...

Eh? As far as I remember, the only time he got beaten up is in his dual with Ikki in the Behemoth arc.

h? As far as I remember, the only time he got beaten up is in his dual with Ikki in the Behemoth arc

In 164, the screen where Sora was appeared to briefly show a beat up and unconcious Akira hanging from his handcuffs.

But he showed up beaten in recent chapters. I agree that this was poorly handled. When I saw it I assumed that he participated in the attack by Agito's brother and was owned quickly enough that it wasn't even shown. Which is unfortunate, because after featuring so prominently earlier I was hoping he'd have a dynamic return later in the plot.

Mave wrote:I know what you mean but what worries me is the future chapters become "Ikki matters ahecka LOT more now that the cool characters who would have been on his side are now dead. Looks like it's up to Ikki to save the day, folks! Whee!"

Let me frolic in my meadow of delusion a while longer.

MasterDias wrote:Yeah, I'm still convinced Kogarasumaru will go up against Sleeping Forest at some point.

That does seem likely. My hope is that we'll finally get to see some of our main characters do things again. This mangaka has a tendency to forget about people for lengthy parts of the story.

This is a double post, but that's okay, because:

uc pseudonym wrote:Perhaps the main characters will end up against everyone.

I called it.

Otherwise, I'm not pleased with the recent swarm of chapters. We have enough tournaments already and I don't want to see one filled with a lot of fights that will feel like nothing more than rematches (how long has it been since we've seen most of these guys, really?). Ikki annoyed me and I can't bring myself to care about his new road. As usual, Kazu seems better by actually trying to do something about the situation instead of moping.

Since this tournament appears to be where everything was headed towards, I suspect the series will end following it...if it settles all the plot threads. I sort-of doubt all of the unimportant characters will get anything more than really brief battles or appearances though, so that will probably be over pretty quickly. The main opponents should be Sleeping Forest, Genesis, and Sora/Nike/whoever they team up with.

Although, Kogaramasu only has like six people. The other major teams will likely outnumber them, and I know Sleeping Forest does.

I actually suspect that it may not be over, but is a midpoint battle, (the likely
upcoming trophaem tower fight), since there still is the issue of where the gravity children are being made (Ringo et. al.) meaning most likely another tower, probably bigger meaner and tougher than the trophaem.

mechana2015 wrote:I actually suspect that it may not be over, but is a midpoint battle, (the likely
upcoming trophaem tower fight), since there still is the issue of where the gravity children are being made (Ringo et. al.) meaning most likely another tower, probably bigger meaner and tougher than the trophaem.

I've considered something similar... But, I haven't been able to figure out just how big a deal this "Gravity children" thing will be. Will it matter greatly in the long run to the point of having a plot arc dedicated to it, or is it mainly a background thing to provide an air of mystery to the supporting characters? In my opinion, Oh Great! hasn't been clear on this.
I doubt I'd like another tower however. That would just be repetitive.

Agreed. I think I would prefer this to be a climactic arc (after all, it has all the major characters involved) but for there to be a few volumes after that. A tournament is a poor way to end a series.

Alternately, it'd be much better if the tournament was interrupted and we move to a less formulaic plot.

Mave wrote:All of them decide that the thrill of reaching the top of the tower and going HooYeah is overrated and really isn't that important in life.

Oh I love that line.

uc pseudonym wrote:Alternately, it'd be much better if the tournament was interrupted and we move to a less formulaic plot.

Oh yes. Sure. Like that is going to happen!

The main point of this series has always been "get to the top of the tower" although other plots have overshadowed it at one time or another. So I wouldn't be suprised if this series more or less ends with a tournament. Although now that I think about it a tournament is kind of a dumb idea. If the main point is to get to the top of the tower then all you have to do is stand at the bottom and kick everyone's @** as you go up the stairs. HooYeah! End of series. But no we get to have oh-so-fun sideplots and strange twists so that you appreciate Ikki and then end HooYeah! all the more.

Well now that I just depressed myself over where this series is going, here's a wallpaper! I haven't shown this to anyone else yet so you guys get to be the first ones to see it! Let me know what you think.

MyrrhLynn wrote:So I wouldn't be suprised if this series more or less ends with a tournament. Although now that I think about it a tournament is kind of a dumb idea.

Now, you've got and done it. Oh Great! probably read your post, thought your suggestion was a great idea but quite didn't understand the meaning of the english word 'dumb.'

XD