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Making manga

PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 10:44 am
by wiggins
I'm interested in making a christian manga and have ideas, but how does one go about making one's own manga besides thinking up ideas and drawing. Are there some key factors any good manga should have? And once its ready, how does one go about publishing it (either in print or on the web)?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:55 pm
by inkhana
Well, studying the "architecture" of existing manga would be a good idea (even though you've read a manga several times, there are always new unique things to discover in terms of design). I would say, however, make your own style; blaze your own trail. As long as it's legible and the panel flow is good, you should do just fine...^^ Plus is helps prove how original we as Christians can be.

As far as publishing, I don't know about hardcopy but making a webpage to house your stuff is no big deal at all. My page is very basic, with only the pic, nav buttons, and my comments (optional). I don't know if you need help making a page, but if you do, I'm sure there's someone around here who can help you out.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:20 pm
by uc pseudonym
Key factors for a Christian manga? Besides original ideas and artwork? Let me think.
1) Spend some time getting good characters. Plan out their backstory and stuff.
2) Use a decent number of panels every page, based on how much is being said. (3-7 panels is average, but you can do single-panel pages for important things)
3) Good villains. I at least don't like to see evil being treated as goofy and stupid.
4) Good theology. Think it through, make it work pretty well. I'd hate to not be able to support a Christian manga because I disagreed strongly about something.

That's all I can think of at the moment. As for publishing... I'll be waiting for someone to answer that.

A word on general style: do whatever. The professional manga artists vary a lot, so don't worry about any real standards. If it works, do it.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:52 pm
by Mave
Since Inky and UC have given great pointers, I'll just emphasize one thing.

Make sure you know clearly what's the message for your readers. We make manga not just to entertain, but also to bless.

I know nothing about publishing. :( but I think you can get good pointers from Inky and Psycho Ann about webmanga. I'm still learning myself.

oh yeah...pray. :)

PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:42 am
by inkhana
Hey Michiru, do you mind if I copy and paste here the same guidelines I sent you the other day? wiggins might find that helpful.

My $.02 (I couldn't afford 3)

PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:13 pm
by zoupzuop2
Well, I would reccomend the basics of writing using characters, which would be:
*Develop their characteristics Immediately, but don't make it obvious that you're doing so
*There are 2 kinds of characters: Static and Dynamic. Static: Stays the same Dynamic: CHanges personality over a period of time
*Manga CHaracters are usually Dynamic, but still retain some similar characteristics of their "older self".
Consider writing it as a book before you make it a manga. This would help you make corrections to your manga before it's even made.
*gosh... I should follow my own advice much more often... I haven't made 1 successful manga yet!:bang:

PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 7:31 pm
by Kisa
Check out the writers section here at CAA, other than that here's what I would reccommend:
-Come up with characters (perfect them and get personalities)
-Come up with story
- Draw story out
This is basically what I have been working on so I hope it works for you too!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 12:40 pm
by c-girl
I dunno really. I just pick up a pencil and start! But If you are wanting to publish it. Try asking someone if they know anyone who can help.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:58 pm
by Mave
inkhana wrote:Hey Michiru, do you mind if I copy and paste here the same guidelines I sent you the other day? wiggins might find that helpful.



eep...I didn't see this post! yup Inky, if it's not too late, sure! Sorry again! >_< I'm not too good at following up all my posts...

Something I learn about Christian manga, which I personally view as a form of ministry.

"Don't know how to do it? Just do it."

I find myself learning a lot along the way. Sure, when I first started, I was nervous and all. you know, you can always post your works at CAA to see how you're doing at first. But I say the most important step is to actually DO it. ^^ cheers!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 7:33 pm
by inkhana
MichiruT wrote:eep...I didn't see this post! yup Inky, if it's not too late, sure! Sorry again! >_< I'm not too good at following up all my posts...


Darn it...I wonder what I was talking about? *looks back in the thread...* LOL

Yarrggggg, I can't find them in my PM backups...sorry bout that, wiggins...-_-

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 10:58 am
by inkhana
Thanks Michiru! (she sent the PM back to me...XD! No hope for the braindead I guess)

inkhana wrote:
MichiruT wrote:hey Inky,

Hope you don't mind me asking these questions.


I never mind helping out a friend...:)

1) What resolution do you scanned your images at? (I'm assuming you scan your ink/pencil outline).


Actually, I use something as small as 100-150 (usually 100). I do all my inking digitally, so I don't have to pick up tiny details in the line]
I had a suggestion earlier from anoyher artist to print out my artwork at a shop like Kinko's. I haven't done that yet but I'm curious to know what other ppl are scanning their works at. I'm using 300 and usually scan the whole A4 size paper.


If you're doing inks by hand, I would say 200 was enough (I work on 9x12 paper; it's out of my sketchbook). If you're doing your inks digitally, I would say 300 was too high, esp if you don't burn your work to CD. If you don't have a CD burner/access to a burner, I would recommend getting one immediately to preserve your work.

2)Putting that file with a huge number of layers leaves me with one freaking file! 0.o Like 20 M over...Surely, there must be a way of cutting down the size...How is it with you?


Well, if you're only working for the web, I would say set the width of the image to either 640, 760 or 800px. That's what I do. Also, set the dpi of your PSD (I'm assuming you're using Photoshop, if not, it still applies, though) to 75, 100 or 150. Anything higher is probably extraneous unless you are absolutely sure you're going to have it professionally printed some day. I have no idea how pages print when set to the specifications I use for Steelblood, so it may be something to consider. Oh, and I forgot to mention that my PSDs usually range from 3 megs to 6 megs, depending on the amount of layers I use for "glow" effects and screentone. One of my files usually consists of the following: (in the order they are in the file, from top to bottom)

general light effects - glow/ray (sometimes these are two layers)
text
text bubbles
boxes (might be merged with the inks)
inks (sometimes two ink layers, one foreground and one back)
foreground screentone
background screentone
anything else I forgot
background scanned image (usually deleted later)

It's helpful to merge as many of the layers as you can, but I never merge background and foreground tones; I also never merge unlike layer types so I can go back and make corrections later.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 2:56 pm
by Mave
No prob, Inky ^^

argh I recall seeing a thread that talks about storyboarding....anyone knows where it is? I can't find it! Thought that discussion would be helpful to wiggins and anyone who's just starting as well....

I don't really storyboard as much as well, I just kick it in straight away.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:42 pm
by CrashFan
What you first need is a few awsome characters ^^ you can come up with the rest as you go along-
I found it easy to come up with a story by-
Writing out everything you want in it- and putting it in some sort of order,
Eg: magic fish, princess and chopsticks -
Linking ideas,
Eg: the magic fish stole the chopsticks frm the princess.
Then- fill in the gaps,
Eg: how,why the magic fish stole the chopsticks- bla bla bla ?
And change it round untill your happy.
If that makes any sense to you XP ^_^
I dunno this is just an easy way i used to create my manga story - !