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666 Satan?! (Manga Series)

PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 9:58 am
by Tommy
I heard this was really good from other forums but....I really think the title is throwing me off. Is it actually good?

It has to be REALLY good if I read a series with THIS title, mind you.

PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 10:32 am
by GrubbTheFragger
ummm that title kinda says NO but hey who know because i have also heard it is good

PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 10:34 am
by Linksquest
O_O! That title... scares me, a lot. I hadn't even heard of it until now. Even if it is good, I don't think I'd want to read something with that title.

PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 10:55 am
by Tenshi no Ai
Here's some info on it... http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/manga.php?id=3013
It still reminds me of Sandland, which BOREDED me to death :/

PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 11:12 am
by Tommy
It scared me as well.

PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 11:24 am
by Linksquest
Wow... the plot just makes it all the more scary. I won't be checking this one out, for sure!

PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 11:50 am
by Tommy
Well, it's a lot better than what I thought the plot would be.

PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 12:03 pm
by MasterDias
I read a few volumes of this awhile back. The manga-ka is Seishi Kishimoto, the brother of Naruto's creator. As such, the story flow is similar to early Dragonball and the artstyle is similar to Naruto.

Viz licensed this recently and is going to release it in the U.S. as O-Parts Hunter...

PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 12:38 pm
by Tommy
So the title will be different?
That's the main reason I'm thrown off.

PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 7:12 pm
by Warrior 4 Jesus
616 is Satan's number, not 666 as has been believed.

PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 7:32 pm
by Joshua Christopher
It's just your typical shounen quest/fighting series with some references to Judeo-Christian stuff. I read some of it, and didn't find anything particularly offensive about it. It's just terrible, is all.

PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 7:37 pm
by jon_jinn
yep. the manga's actually pretty good. the story's (like MasterDias said) basically dragonball in a sandland world with a naruto-like art. the title also intimidated me but it wasn't all that bad.

PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 7:58 pm
by GhostontheNet
Warrior 4 Jesus wrote:616 is Satan's number, not 666 as has been believed.
It depends on which manuscript you're using as to which of the two numbers of the beast (not really "satan's number) you take. Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons in the second century, in his Against Heresies Book 5 chapter 30 demonstrates that both variants existed in his time, while he himself argues that the 666 is the true reading and the 616 is a copyist error where sixty was accidentally expanded into the number-letter iota which would be ten. Another possibility is that copyists in some circles changed the number to deal with language issues in the identification of the Beast, that is that though NRWN KSR ("Nero Caesar") has a value of 666, while the Greek equivalent Neron Kaiser has a value of 616. To be sure though, Irenaeus comments in chapter 30 that the "ancient" copies have 666 and that the men who knew John personally testify to the number being 666.

As to the title of the manga, it sounds to me like a case of a creator mostly ignorant of Christianity who learns that this number has a certain shock value for Westerners and makes up a story based on it.

PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 7:20 am
by Mr. SmartyPants
I find it kind of ignorant for people to automatically judge this title simply by the name if it.

It looks interesting, but I don't think I'll put my time in it.

PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 7:39 am
by Linksquest
Mr. SmartyPants wrote:I find it kind of ignorant for people to automatically judge this title simply by the name if it.

It looks interesting, but I don't think I'll put my time in it.


Well... I wouldn't say that... Judging books by covers is often done in ignorance, but with a title like 666 Satan... I can't believe that wouldn't make you the slightest but skeptical.

honestly, would you really read a manga called "Satan's Bible"

PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:39 am
by Joshua Christopher
Linksquest wrote:Well... I wouldn't say that... Judging books by covers is often done in ignorance, but with a title like 666 Satan... I can't believe that wouldn't make you the slightest but skeptical.

honestly, would you really read a manga called "Satan's Bible"


Oftentimes a series can be named after a villain or something. I've read some of this and it *isn't* some Satanic, Devil-worshipping manga. It's just your basic shounen adventure/figthing manga, the only real difference being the Judeo-Christian names that are given to certain things in the story. Like I said before, it's just a terrible manga anyway.

Image
There's your Naruto-lookin' hero.

Jio is a young boy interested in achieving one thing: to conquer the world. He meets the treasure hunter Ruby Crescent and soon learns about the amazing weapons O-Parts and those who are able to use these weapons O.P.T.S. Jio 's dark and lonely past lead him to trust nothing in the world except for money and himself however he later finds himself travelling with Ruby (rather reluctantly) as her bodyguard. After a short time together, Jio and Ruby part ways (as Ruby runs out of money to pay Jio for being a bodyguard) but almost immediantly Ruby is kidnapped by the man with 666 on his forehead, Satan. Jio attempts to rescue Ruby, realizing that he himself is a O.P.T.S. but is beaten quickly by a strong O-Part. Immediantly after this, the numbers 666 appear on Jio's forehead, revealing that Jio is the real devil Satan and instantly defeats the fake Satan. Jio decides to continue travelling with Ruby until she can pay him for being a bodyguard.

Hey, Naruto has a Demon Fox inside of him, too.

This manga is utter drivel.

PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 1:52 pm
by uc pseudonym
I'd be a bit kinder to it - derivative, certainly (painfully so when compared to Naruto), but not utter drivel. At least, I thought some of the elements that have been introduced more recently have more worth to them.

As that implies, I do read the manga (though sometimes I wonder why I bother). Basically, the only connection is that there is a monster in the protagonist. It has nothing to do with Christianity; this is only another example of an author pilfering random elements from another culture. Recently there has been some more philosophy-based stuff regarding the Kabbalah, but this has been far from theological. I can answer more specific questions if people want.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:16 am
by Tigerchu
Warrior 4 Jesus wrote:616 is Satan's number, not 666 as has been believed.

It is? Why is it?

PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:40 am
by GrubbTheFragger
Bah it just looks like another naruto wanna be.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:33 pm
by Authority3000
Warrior 4 Jesus wrote:616 is Satan's number, not 666 as has been believed.
That is a theologically debatable issue and bares no relevance to this topic.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:42 pm
by jon_jinn
Authority3000 wrote:That is a theologically debatable issue and bares no relevance to this topic.


much agreed.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:29 pm
by Myoti
This one actually sounds slightly appealing. Not something I'll really get into it, but the synopsis does peak my interest a bit.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:03 pm
by Zarn Ishtare
While I'm not trying to be rude Authority, Ghost was merely making a point, and a good one at that, and the manner of your response engenders no good feelings.

More to the point, I've seen this manga, and it's nothing to look at for more than a minute. If you really need something to read, go buy Inverloch, which is published now, or the first compilation of Penny Arcade....Or for manga, go check out the unbelievable fun that is "Sexy Voice". I can't promise about the content, because I've only read abit of it, but from what I have read it looks really good-and funny.

Just my two cents.

PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:21 am
by uc pseudonym
I'll request that the number topic be left entirely in this forum, though I do urge some of you to send PMs to one another if you feel it is necessary.