music that's Christian but doesn't say God or Jesus.

[meboeck]

Which reminds me...this friend I was talking about. He's into bands like Extol and Demon Hunter now...the bands he thought weren't Christian cause they were hard

The friend's issues are apparently being dealt with. Why don't we all let this thread die a peaceful death?

[GhostontheNet]

I have a question and i need your input,. One of my fellow Christian friends critcizes me for bieng a hyprocrite cause I dont listen to worship music and music that doesn't say God or Jesus. And also that I listen to some secular music (Beattles, Evanescence, etc.).

And you took this person seriously? First of all, the definition of a hypocrite is a play-actor who wears a mask. This would be the sort who has no actual intention of being what they appear to be on the outside. In my experience, for a long time I had not tended to listen to a lot of worship music except for classical stuff, especially the Requiem mass with it's emphasis on light in tradgedy and the victory of God over evil and death (provided one actually reads the lyrics), the other stuff I just couldn't sympathize with really. It was for this reason that when I found I could really emphasize with Christian (although most for one reason or another will have nothing to do with the Contemporary Christian Music scene as such, more frequently being underground) entries into the gothic and industrial music genres. As I see it, the defining point of Christian music is whether the music is generated by the Christian worldview, one way or another, it is in what is said or what is not said in every subject that could possibly be sung about. In all music though, it is always wisest to employ a careful discernment about oneself that they remain true to the ways of Christ themselves. If you ask me, I think eventually you will want to have some sort of devotional music dedicated to Christ, much in the fashion of wanting a love song, but what shape such music is will be up to you.

He said it can't be Christian if the band doesn't say God or Christ in thier songs and that they're living a lie. And all Christians should listen to worship music cause thats ht emusic of Christ.

On this line of reasoning, he can seek out the book of Esther in his Bible, rip out the pages, and throw them squarely in the garbage. For in Esther, God blasphemously forgets fails to mention His own name or Christ, content to have some story about some Jewish woman's dealings with a bloodthirsty Persian king and a genocidal bigot and call it the holy word of God.

But like bands I listen to (Blindside, East West, Demon Hunter) have hidden meanings in thier songs or whatnot, he says they're not Christian and a good Christian shouldn't listen to them. One reason why he hates Demon Hunter cause they dress not like a Christian should.

My friend, I had visited their web page and examined this "Demon Hunter"'s clothing with care, and I would like you to console you that although Yeshua Christ wore a man-skirt like the other men of His culture, it is still ok for men to wear pants. This is a joke based on actual fact, but it reveals the danger that is often ignored by many Christians of equating cultural biases with true Christianity. My brother, there are Christians who really love the Lord in loincloth, leaf skirts, leather, white, black, and even pastel formal business attire although it's a shock those looking like they were infected with worldly greed in the megacorps would believe on the Lord. It stands to reason than that like you said]I also argued that it doesn't matter whats on the outside, its what is in the inside that counts. [/QUOTE]

I told him that I just like music that is fast and loud, well he said that's not an exscuse. I should bgo to music that reminds you of Heaven and not hell which is fast and loud.

Umm, is that line supposed to make sense? I don't recall Yeshua saying "Fling that man into Gehenna, where there are loud noises and gnashing of teeth."

Also he said all secular music is bad.

Curses, and I thought it was alright to listen to The Nutcracker Suite.

I said Beattles aren't bad. They're fun to lsiten to. He replied that what you listen to, you become so he said Iif I continue to listen to the Beattles, I'll become a drug addict

Well, the Beattles do indeed have a few drug songs like Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds (LSD), but that doesn't mean you need to choose to do drugs. Lennon sung in Imagine that there is no God, no heaven and hell, but you yourself choose whether you still believe. "God is not a crutch, He is an entire hospital and he will heal every piece of your broken life!" So rightly says The First Church of the Living Dead at http://www.thefirstchurchofthelivingdead.com/

and if I continue to listen to Evanescence, I'll become a Goth and kill myself.

Once more, that is up to you, will you keep in tune with the Gothic philosophy of seeing beauty in all things, or will you violate that and take your life in dispair? "Most goths don't actually kill themselves, they'd rather just contemplate it and then write a really bad poem about it," says Voltaire of Projekt Records.

His belief is that it matters what the band looks like and thier lyrics. So say thiers a Christian band but one member smokes, well then they're not a Christian band. Thats why he doesn't like Skilelt cause they dress funny.

And His mistake is in limiting the Gospel's salvation to those who conform with White-Anglo-Saxon-[Maybe]Protestant values, and assuming that the Christian life is not in fact time in rehabilitation at the hospital of God for everybody, and that there is in fact a pool of supermen to draw fully ideal Christian musicians from. If that was what God wanted, He would have sent angels to form bands for men to listen to, rather than keeping their songs to heaven to be witnessed by the occasional awe-struck prophet. The fact of the matter is that the angels so very close to God, the Seraphim, second only to the children's gaurdian angels that always see our Heavenly Father's face, have the "weird" characteristic of having six wings.

[GhostontheNet]

The friend's issues are apparently being dealt with. Why don't we all let this thread die a peaceful death?

Oops, oh well, maybe what I said will help somebody else down the road.