I have a question...

[Shao Feng-Li]

Many of you people here own anime/manga... Let's go with.. Love Hina, Chobits and MAYBE even Cowboy Bepop or anything else with too much fanservice and anything worse (wich a lot seem to have)... If Jesus Christ in the flesh was sitting there next to you (although he's there every moment of everyday anyways), watching, would you feel comfortable?:eyebrow:

[Saint]

I would prolly feel like doing something more redeeming with my time than playing around and watching anime...

[Shao Feng-Li]

I'm talking hypothetical, of course.

[ShiroiHikari]

Haven't we had this discussion already?

[Retten]

Hmm well I don't really own any fansevice manga but if I did I would feel uncomfortable. I feel uncomfortable around those things even though he isn't sitting next to me the because spirit reminds me that what I'm doing is wrong. Its best to just stay away from those things or you start to come up with excuses and justification and then its all down hill from there.

[Gypsy]

Hmm. While I consider most of my anime safe, there are a few scenes in a couple that I could certainly continue on happily without. Some I bought without knowing the full story of the content. It's a good question really. But I think there can be a lot of "ifs" involved in the answering of it. If you are watching the anime because of the fanservice, then I would consider it wrong.

I suppose it would be a matter of the heart - between you and God. While this sounds like a cop-out, it's not really. I didn't say it to excuse watching something that obviously wrong. God knows what you're watching - and why you're watching it.

I have more to say, but I'm curious how everyone else will respond.

[Shao Feng-Li]

hmm I always thought the bible says to stay away from certain things all that we can... hmm?

[Ammaranth]

Ruroken, this is something that I have struggled with personally for a very long time, and I still don't know all the answers. All things are pure unto the pure, but then again, all things are not expedient, or helpful to us, and even when we ourselves are comfortable with something, as Christians we still have to consider that our actions might make someone else stumble. It is a serious matter, indeed. With there being so much utterly appalling content not only in manga and anime, but the entertainment world at large, I think as Christians, if we want decent entertainment, at some point, we are going to have to make it for ourselves. I am very curious to see how the CAA's Pilgrim's Progress manga turns out.

Ammaranth

Many of you people here own anime/manga... Let's go with.. Love Hina, Chobits and MAYBE even Cowboy Bepop or anything else with too much fanservice and anything worse (wich a lot seem to have)... If Jesus Christ in the flesh was sitting there next to you (although he's there every moment of everyday anyways), watching, would you feel comfortable?:eyebrow:

[Bobtheduck]

Certain things like what?

It is not what man takes into his body that makes him unclean, but sin in his heart. In other words, watching something like CB or Chobits won't MAKE anyone sin, nor is it a sin in and of itself. Rather, it's a common temptation and if you are weak in those areas, it's best to stay away. Things that trap you you should always stay away from, but that is not for me to decide for you, that is for the Holy Spirit to reveal to you about your life, and PERHAPS, and I say this with a lot of caution, an EARNED authority in your life to say to you. By that, I mean Parents of children, Mentors, etc...

[Retten]

hmm I always thought the bible says to stay away from certain things all that we can... hmm?

yeah I wouldnt watch or read anything that you know is wrong
but that dosnt mean stay away from the people that do they are the ones that need us the most

[ShiroiHikari]

I agree with Bob and WhiteBlaze.

[MillyFan]

I suppose it would be a matter of the heart - between you and God. While this sounds like a cop-out, it's not really. I didn't say it to excuse watching something that obviously wrong. God knows what you're watching - and why you're watching it.

I agree. I mean. . .if we're back to "something is not allowable because it contains certain content," then even the Bible is proscribed-because it technically has just as much bad content as many animes. The Bible has some rather graphic mentions of violence, sex of almost all kinds, even a bit of language in some parts (i.e. Sennacherib's speech to Hezekiah, I bet the *real* translation of that, what Sennacherib of Assyria and the generals really meant to say to the Israelites, would shock some people out of their minds).

I think our reasons for seeing something containing "bad" content is what we will be judged on-not on said content itself. I mean. . .I once read somewhere that human life itself is R-rated, even if you personally are G-rated. ^^

[Bobtheduck]

It's wrong for you for reasons that perhaps only the Holy Spirit knows... It's not inherently biblically wrong to watch anime or manga that has fanservice in it, it's dangerous to put yourself so willingly into a tempting situation.

[ShiroiHikari]

I agree with Milly too. I would have said the same thing myself, but frankly I'm having trouble getting my head together.

If you want to hide from all potentially "bad" things, then you should probably go live alone in a hole. The world is a cursed place, and sin is everywhere. There's no way to keep from -seeing- it. I'm not saying there's no way to keep from -committing- it mind you, so don't twist my words.

[Retten]

It's wrong for you for reasons that perhaps only the Holy Spirit knows... It's not inherently biblically wrong to watch anime or manga that has fanservice in it, it's dangerous to put yourself so willingly into a tempting situation.

yeah God and Jesus also know they are all in one after all
and it is very dangerous to put yourself into a tempting position but that dosnt me you wont be tempted because you will thats what the devil is always doing trying to tempt us

[Shao Feng-Li]

***Okay ... try this.. say you just watched a bad sceene.. okay nothing happened right? you were strong... Wil you be strong to marrow? how do you know?***

personally i think the fact that some are comfprtable w/ fanservice is wrong... If you're untterly appalled, i'll respect you. If you never watched that series/ particular episode again, i'll be your best friend.

we shouldnt evevn see sex until we're married for pete's sake, let alone know what it is!

[Retten]

***Okay ... try this.. say you just watched a bad sceene.. okay nothing happened right? you were strong... Wil you be strong to marrow? how do you know?***

personally i think the fact that some are comfprtable w/ fanservice is wrong... If you're untterly appalled, i'll respect you. If you never watched that series/ particular episode again, i'll be your best friend.

we shouldnt evevn see sex until we're married for pete's sake, let alone know what it is!

most definetly agree that dosnt mean that you should hate or not be friends with people that struggle with that though because we all strugle with something and we need to help lift others up

[ShiroiHikari]

Uh, since when is it bad to know what sex is?

[Shao Feng-Li]

its not bad at all its a gift from God. who ever said it was bad to know? Is said that one shouldnt know UNTIL they're married

All right we're getting bit of topic here.
like i said, how do you know that you wont be tempted tomarrow?

[kirakira]

Philippians 4:8:

"Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things."

[Shao Feng-Li]

oh dangit... good verse But that still doesnt excuse

***Okay ... try this.. say you just watched a bad sceene.. okay nothing happened right? you were strong... Wil you be strong to marrow? how do you know?***

[kirakira]

What means you? *is slightly confused* What do you mean by "nothing happened"? are ya saying that hypothetically you watched a "bad" scene but didn't give in to temptation? Is that what you ment? Why in the name of heaven and earth would you deliberatly put yourself into a situation like that? You shouldn't put youreslf into a situation that you know is wrong in the first place.

[Shao Feng-Li]

OI! let's say i was watching a movie at the theater.. i didnt know there was a bad seen.. id never watch anything like that on purpose

[kirakira]

Alright, let's say you were in a movie theater, and had no idea that you were going to see anything 'bad", but you did. It isn't a sin to see something on complete accident. Like, it wasn't sinful when David saw Bathsheba, but then he lusted, and looked again. But if you went, and watched the movie again, or knew going into it, that would be wrong. I also think that it'd be wrong if you unwittingly saw something in the movie, but still stayed, and watched the rest.

[Shao Feng-Li]

well you could close your eyes tightly, and leave the theater...hmmm

[kirakira]

*is confused.**again* Yeah, that's basically what I was trying to say. *lolness* but let's hope none of us are ever in that situation. ^^

[Haibane Shadsie]

It amazes and worries me just out of touch with reality some people are.

[Bobtheduck]

Ruroken... Honestly you are asking people to conform to your personal convictions that are not biblical absolutes. That is not a good thing to do. Paul said of this matter for people who have problems not to condemn people who dont', and for people who dont' not to condemn people who do. If you have problems in those areas, you stay away from it. But it is not right biblically for you to pass your personal spritual strategy off as Biblical, because it's not.

[Twilly Spree]

Ruroken, I can see where you're trying to go with this thread. But people all have their own ways of doing things. Their own set of beliefs. This whole protaganist thing is getting a little old.

My two cents? You watch the news everyday where the media gives us horrific stories about murder and terrorism. Just because I hear about it on the news does not mean I'm going to go murder someone or committ some act of terror. And that's real life. I know it's not right. So you're questioning my ability to see something obviously fake and a CARTOON and not act on it? I don't see the point. You may not watch such things, all the more power to you. But I am a 20 year old college student, I think I can make sure my actions are not influenced by a cartoon. No I do not watch porn, no I do not like fanservice. But I don't mind it. CB is a fantastic story with great characters that I enjoy. So I can ignore the fact that there is fanservice and just enjoy the story. It doesn't make me a lesser person.

Sorry if I offended you. I just felt the need to share, please don't take it personally. Oh and not knowing about sex before marriage? Are you kidding me? What kind of society to do you think we live in? Leaving children in the dark will on spur on their curiousity. I would much rather them ask me as their parent to explain sex to them then getting it from their friends. Sorry that statement just got to me, had to share.

[Little T-chan]

Ha. I wouldn't even get anything like that in the first place. Things like that make me uncomfortable!!! They're scary because I'm not mature enough to handle that stuff. @_@ Plus, wonderful wonderful Jesus wouldn't like it.