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Postby Shao Feng-Li » Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:29 am

The only real bad words are the ones that are sacrilegious, like Hell and dam*. Like, we have no business damning something or someone, etc. (Not that that's a person's intent, but words have meaning.)

Whereas the s-word and the a-word, etc. are merely impolite (only because someone said so) and the f-word crude and vulgar.
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Postby Etoh*the*Greato » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:38 am

I think in the instance of the word ****, it's only an act of damning if the intent is in the heart of the person who does it. That's just kind of my view on things. Words have power, but the power is there because we put it there.
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Postby Htom Sirveaux » Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:11 pm

Etoh*the*Greato wrote:I think in the instance of the word ****, it's only an act of damning if the intent is in the heart of the person who does it. That's just kind of my view on things. Words have power, but the power is there because we put it there.


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Postby ADXC » Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:15 pm

How do you say ****, anyway? Asterisk Asterisk Asterisk.... Oh wait, I see ...
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Postby Etoh*the*Greato » Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:23 pm

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Meh, I's cool with it.
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Postby Momo-P » Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:25 pm

Etoh*the*Greato (post: 1331865) wrote:I think in the instance of the word ****, it's only an act of damning if the intent is in the heart of the person who does it. That's just kind of my view on things. Words have power, but the power is there because we put it there.

Especially in the case of that word. I've seen several cases where someone will say "**** it!" and another person will bring up how absurd that sounds. To tell God to send a toy truck to hell? Because you tripped on it? Or just WISH God would punish the firetruck for the pain it's caused you? Everyone just laughs because it's absolutely insane. Even if it's an animal, at the end of the day, most people still brush it off as being stupid, because it's like...so incredibly extreme. It's about the same as saying "I hate that dog!" when it does something stupid. You don't hate it, you're just angry, humans need to vent.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if "damning" things actually started out as somewhat of a joke. I can easily see some guy telling God to **** something really minor, only for his family or friends to start laughing and telling him how over the top he's behaving and then for everyone else to start mimicing him.
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Postby Fish and Chips » Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:48 pm

**** ****, *************, ******* **** this **** to ****. If a ****** ******* ******* wants to **** **** up, ******* keep your **** *** to your own ******* ****. ****.

This concludes our serious take on the subject.
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Postby Htom Sirveaux » Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:02 pm

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Postby ich1990 » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:54 am

Fish and Chips (post: 1331963) wrote:This concludes our serious take on the subject.


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Postby minakichan » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:57 am

Fish and Chips (post: 1331963) wrote:**** ****, *************, ******* **** this **** to ****. If a ****** ******* ******* wants to **** **** up, ******* keep your **** *** to your own ******* ****. ****.

This concludes our serious take on the subject.


I'm still trying to decipher what this could mean.
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Postby Etoh*the*Greato » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:14 am

This reminds me of a Flight of the Conchords song...
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Postby ADXC » Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:26 am

minakichan (post: 1332079) wrote:I'm still trying to decipher what this could mean.



Well, I'll tell you what it means. It's the long lost recipe for love!
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Postby Fish and Chips » Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:54 am

minakichan (post: 1332079) wrote:I'm still trying to decipher what this could mean.
I did have something in mind.
Etoh*the*Greato (post: 1332080) wrote:This reminds me of a Flight of the Conchords song...
I'm gonna juice the mother 'ucker.

He's gonna wake up in a smoothie.
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Postby Mr. SmartyPants » Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:05 am

Shao Feng-Li (post: 1331855) wrote:The only real bad words are the ones that are sacrilegious, like Hell and dam*. Like, we have no business damning something or someone, etc. (Not that that's a person's intent, but words have meaning.).

But those words are also only sacrilegious because of religious contexts using those words and defining them as we see fit.

"Hell" and "Dam*" are not even from Eastern Society to begin with.
and the f-word crude and vulgar

Only because someone said so.

Really, all words and languages are in the end relative and arbitrary, so by that train of logic it is impossible to put an objective moral standard on something that is relative and subjective...

Unless God tells us to abide by societal norms, which then it's an "objective rule" telling us to obey "subjective norms"... but I don't know how I quite feel about that.
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Postby Etoh*the*Greato » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:01 pm

Fish and Chips (post: 1332122) wrote:I did have something in mind.I'm gonna juice the mother 'ucker.

He's gonna wake up in a smoothie.


I want my red delicious!
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Postby ADXC » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:02 pm

Well, I know God doesn't want us to be like savages that say vulgar things. Even though they aren't bad, they are still impolite(By society standards. Im not saying the Bible says they are.). I think God holds Christians to higher standards and I will not move with the world by saying these words. You guys can say them if that's what you want to do, but I think it's best to say a substitute or a word that is less offensive(Due to society norms. Again I'll say that if you say those words that it could indeed ruin your testimony, of which I don't want to do in winning souls to Christ. Im not saying I will not say these because I will, Im a sinful being, but I'll try to control my tongue.) like crud, crap, and such.

Im sorry again if my post is serious business, but I want to get my opinion across. I don't want to be silent about it.
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Postby Etoh*the*Greato » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:10 pm

Here's a question, though, just being purely devil's advocate (which seems an awful term when talking about this stuff. XD). If the words are defined by societal standards, and society begins to accept them as normal, are you 'going with the world' or are you still even using truly vulgar language? I mean, culture still has those words which are still way totally out of line, but other words are starting to shift to more accepted levels.

Were you to use these now accepted words, are you still using vulgar language if they're no longer forbidden?
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Postby ADXC » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:28 pm

That's a good question to which deserves a lot of thought. Hmm...

To be quite honest, Im not really sure of anything. I guess maybe at the heart of the issue it's not so much the word, but merely the intent behind it.
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Postby Sanji07 » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:33 pm

Here's a good question to ask yourself:

Would Jesus say these words?

This should be able to the provide the answer. -_^
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Postby ADXC » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:35 pm

@ Sanji-That too.
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Postby Etoh*the*Greato » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:39 pm

Sanji07 (post: 1332173) wrote:Here's a good question to ask yourself:

Would Jesus say these words?

This should be able to the provide the answer. -_^


Ah, but on the original topic, how many of us are going to be truly Christlike if someone's just dropped a box full of Ikea furniture on our toe? :lol:
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Postby ADXC » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:46 pm

Well, everyone makes mistakes. It's just man's sinful nature. I think Sanji meant when it can be controlled. Like when you have to think about what to say than rather something spontaneous like a box full of Ikea furniture falling on your toe. Sometimes, you just can't keep your tongue controlled in those situations.
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Postby Lady Kenshin » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:02 pm

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Postby Htom Sirveaux » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:12 pm

Sanji07 wrote:Here's a good question to ask yourself:

Would Jesus say these words?

This should be able to the provide the answer. -_^


Here's an answer:

Jesus was a carpenter.
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Postby That Dude » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:21 pm

Sometimes when something painful happens to me that deserves a cussword I'll yell out "Cussword!" Or: "Filthy Language!" It's fun.
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Postby Etoh*the*Greato » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:32 pm

Htom Sirveaux (post: 1332204) wrote:Here's an answer:

Jesus was a carpenter.


I can't really see Jesus sitting on a fence at lunch wolf whistling women as they walk by with water jugs on their head.
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Postby Htom Sirveaux » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:39 pm

Etoh*the*Greato wrote:I can't really see Jesus sitting on a fence at lunch wolf whistling women as they walk by with water jugs on their head.


That wasn't exactly what I was going for, but you could see him accidentally bashing his thumb with a hammer.
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Postby Cognitive Gear » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:40 pm

Sanji07 (post: 1332173) wrote:Here's a good question to ask yourself:

Would Jesus say these words?

This should be able to the provide the answer. -_^


I think he would. However, He didn't live in our time or culture, so it's alittle difficult to place modern social conventions onto Him. This is much like asking "Would Jesus eat pork?" or "Would Jesus vote for candidate A or B?"
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Postby Nate » Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:08 pm

ADXC wrote:You guys can say them if that's what you want to do, but I think it's best to say a substitute or a word that is less offensive(Due to society norms.

The question then you have to ask is, "What does God judge?"

If God judges purely our actions, then if I give money to a charity to get fame and publicity and maybe score some chicks, and oh yeah for tax-write-off purposes, then I've done good in God's eyes, because I've given money to those less fortunate.

If God judges our INTENT, then I'm boned in that instance because I'm only giving money to a charity for selfish purposes.

So if God judges intent, it doesn't matter WHAT word you say. The word is inconsequential, it's what your intent is behind it. I again direct to this verse:

21"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' 22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

From Matthew 5.

God says "Do not murder" but God says that hating your brother is the same as murdering. Nobody here would classify "fool" as a four-letter swear word, would they? It doesn't get censored. It wouldn't cause a movie to get an R-rating. And yet, Jesus Himself says that calling your brother a fool will get you sent to Hell. Why?

Because it isn't the word. It's the intent behind the word.

When you hit your thumb with a hammer it doesn't matter if you yell fudge or f*** in God's eyes. The word isn't important, it's the meaning behind it. If you call someone a pile of crap, or that their shoes are crappy, or they're crap for brains, God doesn't care that "crap" isn't a bad word. He cares about what your intent behind the words is.

But, if God judges purely on our actions, then yeah, saying "butt" is better than saying "a**." However God judging purely on actions doesn't seem to be the case.

EDIT: Also none of this changes the fact that yelling obscenities helps the body cope with pain better, and as I said before. Anyone who was more concerned over me yelling some bad words over the fact that I have been physically injured isn't someone I care about in the first place.
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