Autistic boy banned from church

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Postby mechana2015 » Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:14 pm

Evidence suggests that they did offer several alternatives and the mother insisted on attending regular mass.
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Postby NekoChan_C » Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:32 pm

This could just be my conjecture of the mother's mindset, but... it seems to me that she is staunchly and desperately trying to persuade herself and others that her son is "normal" (in the sense that is generally accepted by society).
My son is eight and has asperger's and ADHD and it is heartbreaking to have to admit to yourself that your child is different.
So you vehemently fight for your child's right to "BE" normal, and you lash out at anyone who is attempting to thwart that precarious sense of normalicy that YOU have, even if your child doesn't.
Those of you with kids, or even younger sibs: Do you like to see your little ones get picked on? Left out or made fun of? Nope, probly not. Even if you pick on them all the time, you don't want to see someone else do it... Right?
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Postby Fish and Chips » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:35 pm

beau99 (post: 1233598) wrote:I'm probably showing my bias, as I'm autistic myself. I will ALWAYS stand up for the autistic person.

Autistics, more tight-knit than Masons.

As I have said earlier in this thread, I cannot conceive of staunch, blind support for another human based solely off shared circumstance. If he was outside your exclusive little club, you couldn't care less about him. Oh wait, but he shares your ethnicity or your social niche', he's just one of the boys.

No. If any kid of any persuasion was pulling this kind of deal, I'd take the same route.
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Postby Sheenar » Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:01 pm

Cap'n Nick (post: 1233754) wrote:Imposing restrictions on a person doesn't imply guilt. It only acknowledges the reality of their limitations. For example, I fly in airplanes rather than flapping my arms vigorously. I'm not guilty of not flying, I simply need an airplane to fly. More realistically, a blind man isn't guilty of blindness, he simply needs help to see. Different people need help with all sorts of things, like walking, or not stealing, or even behaving in church.

Because we're not perfect, we can't always give people the help they need everywhere they need it. This doesn't mean we drop people out of airplanes or let blind men wander the freeway. It does mean that we restrict people to places and situations in which they and those around them are safe. We should always work to make people as free as possible, but we should also understand that's it not realistic to expect all situations to be made safe for all kinds of people. People with special needs should rejoice in the freedoms won for them and work toward the expansion of their freedoms, not curse those who are sacrificing for them for failing to deliver that which they cannot.

Guilt is probably the least useful way to look at this problem. It implies a level of control that no one involved really has. When tragedy strikes, even in the form of mental illness, we should be looking at how to pick up the pieces and not where to point the fingers.


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I completely agree.

Fish and Chips wrote: Autistics, more tight-knit than Masons.

I think the reason that people in the autistic spectrum seek out/support other people in the spectrum is because those people understand where we're coming from and the struggles we have because of our disability.
I know I have NT (NeuroTypical) friends who try to understand what it's like to be an Aspie and are compassionate, but still it's extremely helpful to have the support of other Aspies (which is why I'm in a support group at my college) because they deal with the same issues themselves and thus understand.

That's probably the main reason we seek each other out.

But I agree that if someone's behavior is putting others at risk, they should take action -- but to make sure it's in a loving way so that the child/person still knows they are loved and valued --but that there are consequences for their actions.
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Postby Etoh*the*Greato » Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:13 pm

CelticWarrior20 (post: 1233757) wrote:Im autistic i have aspergers syndrome in fact but the point is that the priest handeld it wrong he should have said i am going to bring u communion every sunday to ur house


Well, we can guess that the mother probably wouldn't have accepted it. The television Mass was also with the understanding that Mass would be brought to him but she refused. It's at mass or nothing, with nothing not being an option. Compromises were tried, and she simply refused.
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Postby Solid Ronin » Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:16 pm

Fish and Chips (post: 1233811) wrote:Autistics, more tight-knit than Masons.


Someone needs to start a collection of your one-liners.

On Topic: I must side with the chruch. You can't live your life the way you want when your family bring that kinda element to any kind of outing.
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