What To Do With Bad Images In Mangas?

[chibiphonebooth]

that is the best pope comic ever.

EVER.

[Etoh*the*Greato]

I'm gonna go for broke. Exploding threads are awesome!

[Radical Dreamer]

Typos really water down awesome posts. B[

*You're

XDD

[Sheenar]

The Grammar Ranger strikes again!

Anyway, I know several students that are majoring/majored in art and had to take Life Drawing--they said it was a little awkward, but they just chose a more modest angle to draw from --and they said it really helped them in their drawing of people.
Also, I have a friend who does photography. She has done some nude photos of her models, but it is all modest and tasteful --no breasts or anything showing--they're usually bent over or something. Nothing that would cause anyone to stumble, I don't think.
I think it just depends on what you, as an individual, can handle. Like some people can handle the F word, but I cringe at it. Some people can handle seeing some artistic nudity and others can't. Each individual just has to use discretion in what he/she looks at. Like I avoid certain movies/shows/books that I know contain material that would cause me to stumble, but artistic nudity (without sexual undertones) does not really bother me.
It's just all an individual thing.

[Prince Asbel]

I think it's less about noticing their nudity first and then becoming ashamed as it was sinning first and then noticing their nudity and being ashamed of it. That is, they were only ashamed of their nudity until after sin entered the world.

Oh... I had to re-read that a couple times. Yeah, I'd agree with this whole paragraph.

The artists (at least, this artist XD) thank you for understanding, in that case. XD I also agree that in galleries with nude art, there should be signs noting the nude content (I've been in a gallery like this, though accidentally XD), just as how art sites like Deviant Art (usually) have "mature art" filters.

You're welcome. Yeah, I like it that Deviant Art has that.

Actually, regardless of the Greek origin of the word "pornography," I would say that Syreth is right in mentioning pornography as a kind of adultery (and I'm also not sure you were disagreeing with him on anything more than the origin of the term, Nate XD). After all, it is looking lustfully at another woman, so it fits the definition. However, I would also agree that that's not really relevant to this conversation in particular, so...there you have it. XD

Just to chip in here very briefly. I've heard from different people that the (I think Greek) word "Pornea or pornia" can mean a whole range of different sins including adultery, homosexuality, prostitution, and other sexual sins. So as far as those who think the way the word is spelled is significant, maybe you'll find that interesting. Personally, discussing the greek isn't a strongpoint of mine, but I happen to have that little bit of knowledge.

I must also say that the word "shame" is ONLY in the NLT translation of Genesis 3.

It's not in the NIV, NASB, nor the KJV.

To conclude if they really felt shame would require us to look up Genesis 3:7 in the Greek Septuagint.

You know what? That's really wierd. I use a HCSB, but even though I'd only read the KJV and some NIV before then, I always thought the word shame was there. Why didn't I notice that? I guess this is a prime example of being raised with a traditional understanding that can make you breeze over certain parts of the Bible.

But even then, the word 'afraid' seems to indicate essentially the same thing as shame.

And I believe that they felt shame because they realize they had sinned by disobeying God.

I agree, but I'd disagree to the point that I reject their shame being a product of realizing they were naked. That's just the point where we disagree. .....

Tell me, Asbel, why didn't Adam lust after Eve's naked body right when God created her? Why did they not feel shame at their nakedness prior to their fall? It's not the fruit itself that caused them to fall, but the fact that they disobeyed God's commands to not eat it. Since that is the case, Adam could have had his "first sin" by lusting after Eve. (or Eve could have lusted after Adam)

The tree was not just a tree God told them to not eat. It gave them knowledge of good and evil. I can't see any reason to suppose they were ashamed ONLY because they sinned. If it were worded differently, I might agree with you. But the fact that it is always worded that they were ashamed not directly after sinning, but after realizing they were naked keeps me from doing so.

I don't think Adam could have lusted after Eve. The way the scriptures are written, I believe Eve was specifically created to be his wife right from the beginning. So Adam couldn't have 'lusted' as far as what it means to lust as a sin. And husbands and wives don't commit sinful lust when they think of each other in a sexual manner since they are married.

And why did the feel shame in their nakedness AFTER they disobeyed God. I also must ask: why they didn't feel shame before they ate the fruit?

Because they didn't have the knowledge of sin that they gained from the tree.

I find it illogical to say that nakedness is unbiblical. It is the lust of a body (naked or clothed) that is sinful. It can be quite unreasonable in this culture to NOT find nudity arousing, which is why we generally avoid nudity all together. But to say that nudity itself is unbiblical would be an incorrect assessment.

True. As many people have pointed out, people can lust no matter what someone wears. But this issue with Adam and Eve prompts me to keep my position that Christians should at the very least keep certain parts covered; And not with skin tight clothes that are meant to be legally allowed, but do the same thing as being nude.

Hey, everybody here, thanks for participating. I think I've pretty much said all I need to say. If anyone wants to keep talking to me, let's do it via PM. I really enjoyed the discussion. It put my brain into heavy overload several times, but it did me a ton of good. I have a much different grip on how I view nudity in relation to Christians, and I couldn't have gotten it without discussing in a place like this. :thumb: Kudos to everybody!

Now I need to stick my head in a bucket of ice to keep my brain from melting.

[Syreth]

Anyway, I know several students that are majoring/majored in art and had to take Life Drawing--they said it was a little awkward, but they just chose a more modest angle to draw from --and they said it really helped them in their drawing of people.

The issue for me is that out of all the things I draw from life, I love to draw people the most. There's just something satisfying about producing an image that actually looks like someone. But personally, I could not handle drawing nude women. I don't know if it's because I struggle with impure thoughts more than the next guy or if I have a weak conscience, but I would be better off not setting foot in the room if there's an attractive young lady who happens to be the model that day. That said, I have respect for people, especially guys, that can handle drawing the naked female figure with a clear conscience, but in all honesty I have a little trouble believing that it doesn't cause them to stumble at least sometimes. However, I don't expect them to follow my personal standards, and I realize it's between them and the Lord in the end.

[Tsukuyomi]

Because they didn't have the knowledge of sin that they gained from the tree.

That may be true, but they were not punished for being nude.. Where they?

[Nate]

My awesome what?

And not with skin tight clothes that are meant to be legally allowed, but do the same thing as being nude.

http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/53548/detail/

[Etoh*the*Greato]

:p I didn't make the image, I just posted it. Adorable puppies > Grammar.

[eternalprincess]

Typos really water down awesome posts. B[

*You're

XDD

*laughs*

I was wondering if you where going to catch that, Corrie. XDD

[Nate]

I was wondering if you where going to catch that, Corrie. XDD

INTENTIONAL OR NOT? XP

[eternalprincess]

INTENTIONAL OR NOT? XP

Intentional. XD

[Prince Asbel]

That may be true, but they were not punished for being nude.. Where they?

PM me next time, please. (This goes for everybody!) And no, they weren't punished for that.

[uc pseudonym]

That might be a good note to end things on. I'd encourage everyone to only post if they honestly feel they have something necessary to say, but otherwise let this one go.

Heh, this topic sure is turning into a he-said-she-said-you-said-I-didn't-say.

I think what you meant to say was that you build industrial toilets for a living.

[Tsukuyomi]

I think what you meant to say was that you build industrial toilets for a living.

Lol, I'm not sure where you got that from, but it made me laugh XDD

(Tsukuyomi doesn't understand) o.o;

ALMOST EDIT: I got it now xDD; I had to think back a bit

[minakichan]

.......... I don't get it; enlighten me, Tsukkie.

[Tsukuyomi]

[quote="minakichan (post: 1224552)"].......... I don't get it]

Potty Mouth xDD

[Warrior 4 Jesus]

I wasn't comfortable when we had to do Life-Drawing classes for Graphic Design but I eventually looked at it as a valuable experience in learning to draw anatomy (although I'd never draw nude bodies in the future).
I never had lustful thoughts about it though, which is good. Maybe God was helping me or it had something to do with none of the models being attractive - at all.

It's tough though - I still don't like the idea but I also don't turn tomato-red like I did back then.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

I never had lustful thoughts about it though, which is good. Maybe God was helping me or it had something to do with none of the models being attractive - at all.

I couldn't help but laugh.

[Tsukuyomi]

Maybe God was helping me or it had something to do with none of the models being attractive - at all.

*Snickers*

Well then, I think its safe to say that God did help you then ^__^

[chibiphonebooth]

actually, for some reason, a lot of the people who do the nude posing for schools are always... not very attractive.

my friend took some professional classes once and she was like, 'all the people are very...very... frumpy and unattractive.' XD

[Tsukuyomi]

actually, for some reason, a lot of the people who do the nude posing for schools are always... not very attractive.

my friend took some professional classes once and she was like, 'all the people are very...very... frumpy and unattractive.' XD

Lol, frumpy.. Doest that mean like.. lumpy or something XDD

That sounded so wrong, but.. yeah xD;

[Maledicte]

From what I'm aware of, models are chosen based off of variety (male, female, fit, scrawny, saggy, bulgy, young, old, pregnant), availability, and whether or not they work well in the class as a whole. It's not about drawing the ideal human figure, but the real one.

Oddly enough, most students I know prefer models based on their personality and posing ability. It's one thing to have an attractive model, but it's quite another to have the model only making the same six poses week after week. By then, you're more interested in drawing anything else BUT the model.

(boy this thread really has traveled far ain't it)

[Kurama]

I just drew big x's in my Rurouni Kenshin manga.....o.o

[Cap'n Nick]

Maybe it's because attractive models could find better gigs. You know, ones that didn't require them to strip at art schools.

[Warrior 4 Jesus]

Ha, ha. You're probably right.

[Syreth]

Ironically, the one time the professor brought in a nude model (for my advanced drawing class, of all things) it happened to be an attractive, young, blond girl. I think that was kind of an anomaly, though, especially considering the fact that it was a course in a community college. I skipped that day, with the permission of my professor, who was kind enough to ask if anyone had problems drawing naked people. ^^;

[Warrior 4 Jesus]

That would have been tough.
Good on you for having the spiritual discipline to do that.

[Tsukuyomi]

Maybe it's because attractive models could find better gigs. You know, ones that didn't require them to strip at art schools.

Lol, that could've been taken differently ^__^;

I kid, I kid.. Or do I

[uc pseudonym]

Lol, I'm not sure where you got that from, but it made me laugh XDD

(Tsukuyomi doesn't understand) o.o]

.......... I don't get it]

Potty Mouth xDD

It's a lot simpler than that, actually. I'm just making fun of myself for saying "I think what Person X is trying to say is..." multiple times. But yes, you caught the jump from what was said to something suitably random.