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Jesus's reply to the leaders?

Postby Momo-P » Fri May 30, 2008 10:06 pm

I think this might be my bible (since there are so many freaking versions anymore), so I'll just go ahead and ask you guys.

When Jesus talks to the leaders (right before Peter denies Him), His replies are a little bit different. Now I obviously understand different writers are going to highlight different words and stuff, and that's not my problem, mainly my problem is just His wording when they ask "Are you the Christ?"

I'd have to go check them again, but the replies are something like this in my version...

" Those are your words, not mine. "

" I am. "

" Even if I told you, you would not believe Me."

Now, I can accept He probably did say way more than what is even written in the three gospels (since I don't remember one of the writers covering that scene), but the only reason it bothered me was...well...in two cases He doesn't say He is, but in one case? He definitely says He is.

The wording afterward is pretty much the exact same, the whole "the Son of Man will sit at the right hand of God" or something like that, but...ya. I just wanted to ask if someone could explain this better. I'm not very schooled in the differences issue, plus as I said, I know different bibles can word things VERY different anymore. ._. I rather not panic since I know I've had other cases where my Bible had like...ONE word different and that resulted in a huge change in the meaning, but it is annoying to not know what really went on.
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Postby Nate » Fri May 30, 2008 10:30 pm

Not sure what you're referring to. The closest I can find is the very end of Luke 22. It's odd, but there seems to be a distinct difference between the NIV and the KJV on this, I don't know what version you had. Anyway:
Luke 22:70, NIV wrote:They all asked, "Are you then the Son of God?"
He replied, "You are right in saying I am."

Luke 22:70, KJV wrote:Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.

Completely different meanings. :\ The ESV and NLT have the "You say that I am" as well. The New King James version has Jesus say "You rightly say that I am," and I didn't add that emphasis, it's in italics in the actual version.

So to answer your question I have no freaking idea.
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Postby Slater » Fri May 30, 2008 11:13 pm

I don't think he's asking about the differences between versions as much as he's asking about the differences between different books in the Bible.

It's a puzzling topic but I've been told to not give my opinion on the matter...
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Postby Prince Asbel » Sat May 31, 2008 6:41 am

I have at least heard in a claymation adaptation of the ministry of Christ that he said "These are your words". I don't know which versions has this, but I can't remember reading those in the NIV, KJV, NKJV, or the NASB. I mention those specifically because they are, like, the top 4 scholarly appraised translations there are. Do you have something different, Momo-p?
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Postby ChristianKitsune » Sat May 31, 2008 9:19 am

To me, it all means the same...

When he says something along the lines of "You say that I am." to me it's like Jesus is saying. "Hey, you've obviously heard it from somewhere... it's true."

Kinda like...when someone asks for an opinion and second guess what you were going to say and you respond with a "Hey, you said it, not me."

That's my opinion, to me it sounds the same...

What translation do you have, momo? It might help if you were to type it for us, or look it up on Biblegateway.com ^^;

We can't really help you if you just paraphrase instead of quote the whole thing...
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Postby uc pseudonym » Sat May 31, 2008 2:53 pm

[This post assumes we're talking about Luke 22:70 and parallels, because I don't know of any other verses like this.]

If I recall correct (don't quote me on this) the original language is more accurately rendered "You say that I am." However, note that the immediate response is "Why do we need any more testimony? We have heard it from his own lips" - whatever Jesus said, it is pretty clear how it was taken.

Considering that in context Luke obviously does believe that Jesus was the Messiah, it seems clear to me that Luke meant this line to imply it indirectly. Perhaps Jesus is answering in a "Hey, you just said it" manner. Or he could be suggesting that he is the Messiah but not the kind they mean by their question (which would be in line with other major themes in Luke). That's obviously speculation and we can't be certain. But how the passage works in context and what it is meant to teach seems straightforward.
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Postby Kaligraphic » Sat May 31, 2008 7:51 pm

"You say that I am", as I recall, is a Greek idiom, basically equivalent to "durn tootin I am" - essentially an emphatic affirmative.

I will note that the italics in the KJV translation actually denote emphasis, but rather words added for clarity. The word "rightly", therefore, is added to make the response more easily understood.
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