Silent Hill 2

Postby **Michael** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 8:26 pm

How many of you are brave enough to play this game?
I've beaten it once (Leave ending) and don't have enough courage to play through again.
I thought it was brilliant.

Postby **Psycho Ann** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:07 pm

I love the SH series, I played through ALL the endings to SH1 and SH2. It's still creepy the second (or third, or fourth, or--you get the idea) time around, but the atmosphere lightens up somewhat. You *must* get the dog ending; getting that ending pretty much ruins all the creepiness. Like what they did with the UFO ending in SH1, LOL!!! XD

Postby **madphilb** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 2:46 pm

I dunno... I think the Residient Evil series and Nocturne are about as far in that direction that I'm willing to go... creepy just isn't my thing.

I saw some video of SH2 in an EB a while back... maybe a rental for my XB... I've got a 99cent coupon in the mail for Blockbuster.... hmmm.

What's the play-style like on it?

PHIL

Postby **Michael** » Tue Sep 02, 2003 8:33 am

Crap. Without the scariness it's really not worth playing. However there is some charm in hitting a zombie nurse 15 times with a lead pipe.

*sniff* I have the PS2 version. I have to play through it 2 more times for the Dog ending.

Postby **Psycho Ann** » Tue Sep 02, 2003 5:22 pm

Hehehe, trying putting it on hard and arm yourself with any close range weapon--*only*. That would increase the creepiness factor since you realize just how vulnerable you are XD. Man, I think I tried going through un-armed (unless it's a boss monster). Man, that sure exercised my controlling skills.

2 more times? I thought you just need to get the In Water ending (or something else... forgot) and the key to the dog ending would be there.

Madphilb: The game play is like RE in controls. But IMHO, the atmosphere and plot is way better (and creepier) than RE or any other horror game I ever played. The fog engine for SH2 is mind boggling....

Postby **Michael** » Tue Sep 02, 2003 9:39 pm

Nope. You gotta get In Water, Leave, and Maria endings to get the key.
It's like RE; but fully 3D.

Postby **Psycho Ann** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 11:17 pm

Oh really?? I must have gotten lucky for getting the dog ending after In Water (after getting Leave and Maria) XD After the Dog ending I went on to get the Ressurection ending--blah, that was sure... hanging. The Ressurection ending does tie SH2 better with SH1 though....

Postby **Bobtheduck** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 12:33 am

I hate the RE controls... Luckily you can change it. However, I would not even try playing it on XB... That stupid controller hurts my hands... Even after several nights of playing Halo...

I do say that SH2 is brilliant... I haven't played the other two yet, I need to play 1.

Along those lines, have any of you seen the movie "Jacob's Ladder"? It's a great movie and it was the inspiration for the SH games.

Postby **Michael** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 9:40 am

Hey Psycho: What was the best place in SH2?
I go for the Labyrinth, that was just freaky.

<Along those lines, have any of you seen the movie "Jacob's Ladder"? It's a great movie and it was the inspiration for the SH games.>
I will never, ever, ever watch that movie! Never!
Well maybe...I heard there were a lot of disturbing images in it and I have trouble with House on Haunted Hill. (Remake)

Movies I will never see: (Or, at least try not to)
A Clockwork Orange
House on Haunted Hill Remake
The Passion

Postby **shooraijin** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 9:51 am

"A Clockwork Orange" has a very clever and intellectual premise, and a fairly good cast. It's a shame it's so hard to recommend to people, as the movie (as well as the original book) is so horrifically violent.

Postby **Michael** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 3:02 pm

Oh I know the premise, and like it, but I find it too disturbing for my tastes. Doesn't it have a rape scene in it?

Postby **Bobtheduck** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 3:12 pm

Jacob's ladder is the kind of movie I'm going to be making (only with a Biblical World View, which Jacob's ladder has more of a, well, pseudo-biblical view) It's all a psychoanalysis.

Actually, It's not a movie I'll be making, but a TV show in Japanese format... that means:

1. I'm making it one season or one half season (26 or 13 eps, depending on how much I can shoot and how long it takes me to tell the story)
2. It's going to have a separate ending and opening song... I know that's not all that spectacular, but I just like that aspect in Japanese shows...

It's called Level: The Now (it's a followup to a short movie called "Level: The Former" which should be done, and available for you to see by early 2004) and the purpose is to... well, get inside my head. People have wanted to see what makes me tick, and I've been told by friends that they want to get inside my head, so I'm gonna give them a chance.

Rating wise, it'll be R (I think the same would be true of many of you if you were to be honest) I'm gonna be honest, but I do draw the line where it may make someone sin. It is separated into two sections. Part of it is the events on the outside, which I plan to model after "The Pretender" among other things (though i plan on making it original, even if it is going to be inspired by pretender,) and what goes on inside.

I won't give the premise of this because it may spoil part of "Level: The Former"

Umm... Yeah, so thanks for reading my shameless plug and I hope you enjoy your **coughpepsicough** um, sorry a bit of a cold **coughbuycaliforniagrowncough** I hope you enjoy your life, yeah...

Postby **Bobtheduck** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 3:16 pm

Michael wrote:Oh I know the premise, and like it, but I find it too disturbing for my tastes. Doesn't it have a rape scene in it?

Yeah... [spoiler="sick detail"]He rapes someone while singing "Singing in the rain"[/spoiler] and no I've never seen it. I read about that in EGM (or some game magazine... Can't quite remember), because they give (or used to give, anyhow) DVD reviews. They say it got downgraded from an X rating to a R rating when it was put on DVD. I don't know if that means they cut anything out, but whatever. I don't plan on watching it for that... Oh, and I saw the TV edited version of Jacob's Ladder, so if there is something like that in it, I didn't know about it.

Postby **Psycho Ann** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 5:42 pm

Michael: Oh yeah, definitely the labyrinth. All that jumping into deeper and deeper holes that are actually distorted hallways was just plain creepy. I think I got pretty freaked out when I knocked on the bathroom them a few seconds later came a "reply" O_o;; (my heart just went THUMP). Not to mention turning around and suddenly finding Pyramid Head THERE. O_o

Postby **shooraijin** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 5:52 pm

> Oh I know the premise, and like it, but I find it too disturbing for my tastes. Doesn't it have a rape scene in it?

Yes, and a number of beatings, thrashings, maulings ...

Your opinion of the movie exactly mirrors mine. I tend to fault Burgess (author) more for this than Kubrick (director), however, because Kubrick merely followed the book for the most part faithfully. Burgess may have been attempting to achieve a more dramatic contrast between the protagonist's motives and capabilities before and after his incarceration and his brainwashing, but it's very hard to deal with the level of detail he uses for the crimes committed. Nevertheless, the concept of behaviour modification on the scale he proposes is an original (if chilling) idea. We just need a less visceral vehicle for presenting the concept for discussion

Postby **Michael** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 6:44 pm

Amen.

I watched Full Metal Jacket, It was pretty nasty and offensive.
But I love The Shining.

Postby **madphilb** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 3:31 pm

Digging up an older thread.....

Picked up a copy of SH2 for my XBox yesterday, I've played it some and I'm.... well.... I'm just not sure.

The story had me sucked in somewhat, so I'll be playing it through at least once (and maybe see about walk-throughing my way through the other endings)... but I think this might be the first game to be traded back to EB, usually I keep whatever I buy, but I don't know that this will be something I'll revisit "just for fun."

BTW, in the middle of the hospital section, are you supposed to get this seriously disoriened feeling?

PHIL

Postby **Michael** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 7:40 pm

<I think I got pretty freaked out when I knocked on the bathroom them a few seconds later came a "reply" O_o;; (my heart just went THUMP).>

I know what you're talking about, I was like 'What a waste of time...*THUMP* Agggggggghhhhh!!!!'

Postby **YusukeUrimeshi** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 8:08 pm

has any one played the 3rd silent hill??

it was creeping me out the first time i was playing it. but it was alot of fun running around hitting things with a lead pipe. then you can kick things while there down to make sure they don't get up. I don't know if its in any of the other silent hills because i haven't played em.

Postby **Fsiphskilm** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 4:37 pm

I've palyed all the survival Horror games

Postby **Bobtheduck** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:12 am

"greatest hits" Silent Hill 2 is the same as the X-box version...

Anyhow, I just saw "the art of silent hill" for silent hill 2 and it almost made me sick... [spoiler=age warning]It looked like a porn video... It had pyramid head and those leg things, as well as what looked like a real person (more real than the monsters, and nude), and they kept doing all these things while these feminine SH twitcher type monsters were in cages, phasing in and out of reality, and you could hear moaning the whole time...I didn't get very far in Silent Hill 2 (beat 3) and now I'm not sure if I want to... Still want to play through 1, but that video was sick...

I don't even know if I should ask, but is Silent Hill 2 as blatently sexual as that video? There is a similar video for SH3 which replaces all the characters with the dead rabbit people, and it was funny but still creepy... SH3 didn't feel sexual at all to me, but is SH2 really sexual? (there is NO doubt that video was, though) Michael said Pyramid head did "something" to the legs, and in this video the insinuated "something" was very graphic, but it could have just been the video (there was no scene like the rabbit video within the actual SH3 game)[/spoiler]

I was gonna rent SH2 tomorrow, but need to make sure it's not as bad as that video...

EDIT: OK, a friend told me all the sick stuff in that video is NOT from the game... It's just something the art director put together to make something avant garde with the game engine and models... That's relieving...

Postby **Psycho Ann** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:04 am

Actually, there's been interpretation that the SH trilogy represents parenting (SH1), sex (SH2), and birth (SH3). Which is probably why SH2 has suggestive themes in contrast to SH1 and SH3.

Postby **madphilb** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:15 pm

There is a portion of SH2 where the Pyramid head appears to be doing something nasty with one of the double-legged things (or was it one of the maniquin type things?) ... but anyway... I beleive the general feel is that it's just one beating on the other or something.

All this talk of the SH series has got me to thinking about pulling out my copy of SH2 and seeing about getting some of the extra stuff (endings and what-not), but I'm not so sure... last time I played it it messed with my head and I had some strange dreams the whole time.

Postby **Bobtheduck** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 9:58 pm

I had my first SH related dream last night... It didn't come until after I watched that nasty video... SH3 made me scared of Fog in waking times, but I never had any dreams about that... That video left me with some nightmares...

Anyhow, my friend told me he didn't find SH2 all that sexual (but, he made a comment about when pyramid head ate one of the monsters) but I sent him that video, and he said it was nasty and that there was nothing like that (except for that scene with pyramid head, which was still changed for the video) in the actual game... I read through a plot analysis for SH3 and they said all these sexual images and stuff, but I never saw, and still don't see, any of that... I tend to read those interpretations with a grain of salt, just like the Lain interpretations (I have my own that doesn't turn Lain into some sort of Anti-christian statement, because it was NEVER meant to be anti-christian, and the creators even said that straight out)

BTW, did you know the X-box version of SH2 looks WORSE than the PS2 version (except for lighting)! I know that's because Konami just doesn't know the X-box very well, but I still find that hilllarious...

Postby **Bobtheduck** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 1:30 am

Just beat SH2, got the "leave" ending. This was very different from SH3...

1.It had a thicker depressing feel to it...
2. The graphics, of course, are not as good... The less impressive character models and environment effects I could handle... What I wasn't handling too well was the lighting... The lighting was horrible... And the shadow effects, too...
3. There is a lot more wandering in SH2... You'll walk on empty streets 4 or 5 minutes at a time, and there are many long hallways and backtracking... SH3 felt much tighter.
4. The story was much more specific to James; much less broad about the whole town. That was both good and bad.
5. It felt to me that there was more character interaction in SH2 than in SH3... They all had their own psychology to unravel, and they all confused me to no end...
6. The acting was, overall, not as good as SH3, I felt... James in particular made me feel he should have done something else, and Maria sounded like a porn star... Of course, maria's voice is the same as Mary's, and when she did mary's voice, it was much better... I guess she just didn't know how to do the voice of a seductive woman realistically...
7. The item collection/hit detection (for items and doors) was much worse in SH2... I got very annoyed being in the exact spot, I thought, to pick up item x, and it turns out I needed to be a tad bit over, or an item was actualy outside of the building, and the camera didn't work correctly to hilight it, like it did every time in SH3... That was very annoying and required me to read large portions of walkthroughs, which I wouldn't have had to do if it had been put together a bit better...

All in all, this game was nice, but I prefer 3... If there were than many problems that were fixed between 2 and 3, I'm wondering if the same thing exists between 1 and 2... I should have started from 1, because now I'm going to be very disappointed when I find all of these glitches and problems...

(my accidental double posting today, moved to this thread)

bobtheduck wrote:[spoiler=it's the end of the world as we know it (and I feel fine)]Ok, this is another thyme a poste I maid din't come out all at. My braing ins going gone. by[/spoiler]

sorry, in a funny mood....

I beat SH2... I must say it is the single most depressing thing I've ever seen... I mean, There's sad (Grave of the Fireflies) then there's depressing (Silent Hill 2)

There was a sad moment in SH3, but it didn't leave me that way... It gave me a victory at the end, but not SH2... That was so depressing... They say that 4 will be darker than all of the other games... I'm not sure if I want to play it, then...

As for scary, 2 is a different kind of scary from 3... 3 is all about the environemnts and 2 was all about... Well, I mean the environments never got that bad in 2, but the outcome was very scary... His big revelation was a bit disturbing, but I could relate to him... That is a big issue, too, the moral issue behind what he did. When that video tape played, I just thought about if I were in that position... Man... That was so depressing...

So there was some repeat material, but I said a lot of new stuff...

Postby **madphilb** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:10 pm

With all the Silent Hill threads going around, I put SH2 back in and played it through again (first finishing the extra bit with Maria).

I got 2 new endings this time (same start, different finishes), just so I could see them.

The game kinda grows on you I think, I was considering returning it, but I'm thinking I might just keep it now. I've gone so far as to find some really nifty remixes of some of the games music online.

BTW - is it just me or is the Chainsaw in SH2 a complete waste of polygons? Thing is so slow that I only used it once, got hit lots of times trying to use it, but only got one good hit in with it.

Oh wel... just thought I'd bring it up... one of those things I keep meaning to do, and forgetting.

Postby **Michael** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:26 pm

I'd rather have the katana from S-Hill 1 than the chainsaw, yeah it's bad.

The ending theme music rocks.

Postby **Psycho Ann** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:08 pm

Chainsaws are fun!!! Have James do that Jason-scream with it ^^ From all 3 SH games, I think I used the pipe and katana the most O_o;;

About the hit detections, yeah it was pretty bad in SH2. I don't recall SH1 or SH3 to be that bad though....

Postby **Htom Sirveaux** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:27 pm

I'm about to get SH2 as soon as I can, but for now I don't even have twenty bucks (sad, huh?). So I'm just playing and replaying SH1. I've got the bad ending and good+ ending, and now I'm going for UFO. I had no idea what was going on at the end of either the bad or good endings until I read a plot analysis on GameFaqs.com, but now it all makes sense. Does the UFO ending somehow explain it better than the others?

Oh and, Psycho Ann, I agree. I can't wait to dig into the hospital zombies with that chainsaw hotness. [evil, bloodlusting laugh]

Postby **Azier the Swordsman** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 8:18 pm

I just got this game today. I can't say I'm all that impressed so far, but I have just barely got into the game yet. All I have to say is if it's going to be scary, it's going to have to try a little harder than it has so far.

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